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What are you watching? (Kamen Rider Edition)
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07-28-2022, 01:29 PM
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DreadBringer
He came from NOAH abuse, but he had committed significantly greater atrocities than any NOAH member, with the probably exception of Agariyama (and dunno how severe he is as he doesn't have that much screentime). Like though Masumi did questionable stuff that needs to be atoned, he's never close to be as bad as Vail, young or old. The theme here is about forgiving yourself (Genta forgiving Vail = Genta forgiving himself, as per how inner demon is a part of yourself), so Vail's maliciousness is better off highlighted here, rather than curbed due to his victim status, as it's how forgiving yourself should be done, fully acknowledging past tragedies and dark traits (as Junpei) and also making amends with oneself to let go from that and attain more inner peace and mental health to live a more fulfilling life. Speaking of Zi-O reference here, this (and perhaps the end of Daiji's arc) should be similar to Sougo accepting his Mirror self, which'd mean Sougo acknowledging his dark traits inside to face the future.
Oh yeah, Agariyama's definitely the most evil character in this lore, but the way they tormented Genta probably had an affect on how Vail's personality developed. Like if Vail was developed in a more benign setting like how Vice was filled with good memories in Shiawase-Yu, then he probably would've been imprinted with more redeeming qualities. Genta forgiving Vail isn't just symbolic, he's literally forgiving his devil in this scenario and maybe taking responsibility as the one who hosted him and filled him with all the hateful emotions he experienced in NOAH's captivity.
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DreadBringer
Holy Live's angelic look and knight motif actually suits his anti-villain phase, now it represents his self-righteousness, with us or against us approach, an example of a display when forces of light and order gets a little bit too hardcore, and get blinded by themselves and their ideals. Daiji leans too much on the order side without Kagerou. Actually chaos isn't always bad/evil thing (and law isn't always good). Chaos can just be about breaking a law if it blocks you from doing good (about a non-pragmatic approach). About Daiji scolding Ikki for not being busybody enough, the line happened once, so it seems to be a throwaway scenario tbh, feels like Ikki has developed to be less of a busybody, but not getting rid of that trait entirely, like how Giffard Rex is obtained, by intervening when Genta almost died. There are several people still chastising Ikki for being busybody too in these late episode discussions too.
I usually associate angelic motifs more with good than law though. Kagerou is literally called Evil after all, so it's reasonable to presume that Daiji would represent good, considering how he's always talking about right and wrong, which are specific to the good-evil axis, not the law-chaos axis. It just happens that the devils are the lawful party here, but they're lawful evil, so siding with them doesn't mean Daiji's on the side of good, only that he sees it as the only viable option to protect lives at the cost of their smiles. It's a decision based on fear and regret over killing Kagerou, which is part of what makes it hard to understand his motivation and the way he acts.
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There's a difference between 'caring deep down' and 'changing into a better person'... This George isn't the same guy we first knew (or in this case, likely Masumi's demon manifesting inside him until ep. 25 for some reason). George did terrible stuff to Hiromi (as Demons), and in ep. 29 it's acknowledged in universe and he wanted to atone by helping Hiromi if he can. Previously George gloated about Hiromi being a guinea pig, guilt-tripping Hiromi over Daiji, and mocking Hiromi's heroism (despite being a KR fanboy). Now George cares by
not doing that anymore
, by instead solemnly warning Hiromi over his body condition, asks if Hiromi would be successful in changing Daiji, and make Hiromi promise to not throw his life away carelessly, overall actual decent approach to someone. And the punch not landing is perhaps Hiromi acknowledging that George isn't like that anymore now, forgiving him (after all, it started with a punch, that part's probably about addressing the terrible things George did, or rather, Masumi's demon).
Even before George's confession of repentance, I still think he had some level of respect for Hiromi, to give him the opportunity to punch him. Like he thought he deserved to be punched and was willing to take it without resisting. In Hiromi's case, the first time he probably decided the punch wouldn't make him feel better and the second time was him finally forgiving George with the gentle tap on the chest. It makes sense that George would feel resentment towards his father Masumi now, as that devil transplant likely contributed to his irresponsible behavior that damaged Hiromi's body.
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DreadBringer
As Wolf Deadman, Julio was granted with superpowers, so he can easily crush something much more than normal humans. It's unknown if he's actually a skilled fighter for that, not all those who are involved in a fight are actual fighters, they can just be throwing power around.
At least he would've had more experience than Hikaru and probably most of those Demons Troopers users who were only recently recruited. I think it's a joke that they don't even let Tamaki use one of those spare Drivers.
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DreadBringer
I agree that more Akemi is needed (and actually she didn't get much important screentime before becoming Giffdemos) but Akemi's actually featured
more
than intended. Kinda like Hiromi, she's intended to only make 1 appearence (in ep. 18), but was upgraded into a recurring supporting character on Sugihara's request:
https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/revice/39
That's so weird. Hiromi's promotion to recurring character saved him from getting killed in Episode 1, while inversely, Akemi's promotion got her killed, when otherwise she would've lived. I guess, sometimes it pays to be a one scene wonder, huh? I think it's such an insult to her character that they promoted her in such a way, only to use her as a source of cheap angst. Easily the worst part I've seen of the last 12 episodes and another example of Kinoshita not giving a damn about side characters.
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Actually I would appreciate here that Revice doesn't treat crimes lightly, unlike Zero-One in how for all the crimes he had committed, Gai ended up in a better place than much better, less guilty people like pretty much the main cast (Aruto, Fuwa, or Yua). Here Orteca gets arrested by the heroes upon his return, and even someone who is comparatively less evil in Aguilera would turn herself in after the fight ended, which shows lesser evil still doesn't justify itself over greater evil. You may agree with Weekend uniforms being foolish (and still, Orteca's someone in goop drenched mariachi-type of outfit), but without powers or backup, Orteca is currently reduced into this, he can only antagonize others by acting unpleasant and detestable.
I mean, if I just got released from a slimy cocoon and suddenly had a guy grabbing me by the collar with a fist in my face, I don't think I'd be in such an amicable mood either. Olteca's petty insult was definitely provoked. I do agree that his crimes shouldn't be taken lightly though, he has a lot of making up to do for sure. But it's not like he's a wealthy president, so there's little need to worry about the show over-rewarding him. If Genta and Daiji can start over by forgiving themselves, then it makes sense that Olteca should be able to do the same. I also want to know what his deal is, since Vail's line about how he "smells like a devil" is still a mystery.
Regarding his antagonism towards Tamaki and Aguilera, I actually have a headcanon about that. I think he might be a tsundere, since it's common for those types to act tough and cold as a way to hide their true feelings. This could have contributed to Olteca's sadness about being misunderstood, if he's deliberately shutting people out so he won't get hurt again like what he experienced in his childhood.
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