[Locke]

I dunno whether this'll be allowed but given the nature of Infinite's ending, I think it could make good discussion which would be better not clogging up and getting lost in the what are you playing thread. Plus Pokémon has its own thread doesn't it?

I was just thinking this morning about tears and I jumping off the suggestion that Rapture = Columbia, is it possible that Elizabeth is the Little Sisters of Columbia, just as a single character and then in turn is it possible that Booker in the Raptureverse is actually spread out over the Big Daddies? I know it's suggested that Jack and Booker are the same person but the relationship between the Big Daddies and the Little Sisters is much closer to that of the relationship of Booker and Elizabeth than the relationship between Jack and the Little Sisters, if you choose to go down the path of harvesting them.

I know that Jack was an integral part of the first game but now we know tears exist, could we assume that the crash at the beginning of the first game was Booker going through a tear? It is hinted that Ryan and Jack could possibly be clones, so is it possible that Jack and Ryan are both Booker from completely different universes, who all happen to the universe where Booker and Elizabeth are Big Daddies and Little Sisters respectively? If Ryan also knew about the tears as he came through one himself, the whole twist of the first BioShock game still works fully but there is more going on than we were let on.

I know we can't actually answer this and it is just fanwanking but I love all the interesting thoughts it brings up. And there is an idea for you to jump off on.

[Sentai]

I could buy that theory. The Little Sisters do look alot like a young Elizabeth, even Big Sister looks like her a little. And would explain so much.

I really didn't like Bioshock. Bioshock 2 and Infinite however I love equally. Bioshock 2 was just fun as holy hell, I loved playing as a Big Daddy and the story was excellent. And Infinite was just fun. Pure out fun. I wish could carry more than two weapons at a time, but atleast the enemies dropped enough of an arsenal that didn't really matter. And that skyhook was just fun as hell to use.

Really didn't need the creepy ass Hospital level, or that Boy of Silence jump-scare. They meant it to. I jumped, I was scared, Imayve yelled a little. To which my roommate responded 'Wuss'. So thanks for that.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

I could buy that theory. The Little Sisters do look alot like a young Elizabeth, even Big Sister looks like her a little. And would explain so much.

I really didn't like Bioshock. Bioshock 2 and Infinite however I love equally. Bioshock 2 was just fun as holy hell, I loved playing as a Big Daddy and the story was excellent. And Infinite was just fun. Pure out fun. I wish could carry more than two weapons at a time, but atleast the enemies dropped enough of an arsenal that didn't really matter. And that skyhook was just fun as hell to use.

Really didn't need the creepy ass Hospital level, or that Boy of Silence jump-scare. They meant it to. I jumped, I was scared, Imayve yelled a little. To which my roommate responded 'Wuss'. So thanks for that.

It fits in numbers too as Booker and Elizabeth/Anna are each single characters but Big Daddies and Little Sisters are many, if we continue down this path we could even almost wonder if every Little Sister and Big Daddy is from a separate universe entirely, with only the smallest of tweaks we wouldn't even notice as according to Elizabeth details change but it stays the same, so it doesn't have to be as big sweeping changes in the details like being under the sea or above the sky, it could be way more subtle.

And if we assume Ryan pulled another version of himself into Rapture in the form of Jack, it could have been him who pulled in all the other Little Sisters and Big Daddy's from across the tears as well, since they were basically what his city rested on and why not use every dimension if you have it at your disposal?

I liked BioShock 2 from a gameplay standpoint but I felt the writing, level design and story wasn't even a patch on the original. Infinite found a good balance between what was great in one and two but I think that Infinite needed more in its middle section. I know it was a pretty short game anyway but the middle section felt almost completely like padding as you fought small armies of enemies for no real purpose and then it just started throwing random crap in like ghosts and a walking tannoy, that said the asylum level really did feel like being back in Rapture again, I loved it.

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by Locke

It fits in numbers too as Booker and Elizabeth/Anna are each single characters but Big Daddies and Little Sisters are many, if we continue down this path we could even almost wonder if every Little Sister and Big Daddy is from a separate universe entirely, with only the smallest of tweaks we wouldn't even notice as according to Elizabeth details change but it stays the same, so it doesn't have to be as big sweeping changes in the details like being under the sea or above the sky, it could be way more subtle.

And if we assume Ryan pulled another version of himself into Rapture in the form of Jack, it could have been him who pulled in all the other Little Sisters and Big Daddy's from across the tears as well, since they were basically what his city rested on and why not use every dimension if you have it at your disposal?

I liked BioShock 2 from a gameplay standpoint but I felt the writing, level design and story wasn't even a patch on the original. Infinite found a good balance between what was great in one and two but I think that Infinite needed more in its middle section. I know it was a pretty short game anyway but the middle section felt almost completely like padding as you fought small armies of enemies for no real purpose and then it just started throwing random crap in like ghosts and a walking tannoy, that said the asylum level really did feel like being back in Rapture again, I loved it.

The asylum level lends creedence to Ryan being Jack and Elizabeth being the Little Sisters. And think about the Big Daddy's, they don 't have to be all Jack/Ryan either. I give you Songbird and the fanatical way he protected Elizabeth and hunted Jack for taking her.

Then I always had a theory that Songbird was a version of Ryan too, one that knew she was his daughter.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

The asylum level lends creedence to Ryan being Jack and Elizabeth being the Little Sisters. And think about the Big Daddy's, they don 't have to be all Jack/Ryan either. I give you Songbird and the fanatical way he protected Elizabeth and hunted Jack for taking her.

Then I always had a theory that Songbird was a version of Ryan too, one that knew she was his daughter.

Wow could Songbird be another version of Booker as well? Given its protective nature of Elizabeth, the fact that again it is a single character in the Columbia universe rather than many like the Big Daddy's of the Raptureverse.

Booker = Comstock = Ryan = Jack = Big Daddies = Songbird = Booker? My mind just fucking EXPLODED

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Wow could Songbird be another version of Booker as well? Given its protective nature of Elizabeth, the fact that again it is a single character in the Columbia universe rather than many like the Big Daddy's of the Raptureverse.

Booker = Comstock = Ryan = Jack = Big Daddies = Songbird = Booker? My mind just fucking EXPLODED

Interdimensional travel, it's a bitch

[Electric Turahk]

I still don't buy the Big Daddies and Little Sisters being Booker/Elizabeth. At all. It becomes way too much of a stretch at that point.

Songbird was based off of a Big Daddy. They looked through a tear and saw one, so were inspired to make him; that was actually explained in-game...

[Sentai]

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I still don't buy the Big Daddies and Little Sisters being Booker/Elizabeth. At all.

Songbird was based off of a Big Daddy. They looked through a tear and saw one, so were inspired to make him; that was actually explained in-game...

Bioshock has been known, though, to say one thing and give clues towards it being completely wrong.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Electric Turahk

I still don't buy the Big Daddies and Little Sisters being Booker/Elizabeth. At all. It becomes way too much of a stretch at that point.

Why is that the hard thing to believe?

In Infinite you were fighting in a city in the sky, against yourself while dragging your daughter around from another dimension, while also travelling through different dimensions and it was all solved by dying before you were baptised. And you struggle with the suggestion that Big Daddies and Little Sisters could be Booker and Elizabeth?

It's only a theory, so there are no facts, but given all the hints and evidence the game brings up (Elizabeth's and the Little Sisters visual similarities, the bond between Big Daddy and Little Sister, the way the events in Infinite mirror that of BioShock for a cleverly disguised retread, Elizabeth's speech about dimensional travel) I don't see it as any bigger a stretch as anything else we've already had to swallow as fact.

[Electric Turahk]

Because the idea that "everything is actually the same two characters" is just rather... stupid. It's not interesting, it's just boring and a really bad attempt at making a story needlessly more complex.