Wizard Episode 23 "Deathmatch" Discussion

KamenRiderOOO · 02-20-2013, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KRX

Why didn't he just toss Phoenix into a black hole? I mean, he's a wizard- he's fully capable of pulling it off and surviving. Furthermore, the chances of Phoenix coming back stronger than before would be very low.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Rule of teleportation applies here, even if he's not teleporting Phoenix. He'd have to know where a Black Hole is in the first place.

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Originally Posted by KRX

That's why we have Google.

In fact, I just found one relatively close to Earth.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Heat of the moment.
Easier to hit him towards the sun than to risk missing the black hole.
Black hole is too far for him to kick him towards, risking Phoenix recovering fast enough to fly back.

Pick your reasoning

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Originally Posted by Den-O

Why even apply theoretical teleportation rules to this when they didn't even use real logic in this episode? He threw Phoenix into the sun. From Earth's surface. In like a matter of seconds. That's over 92,000,000 miles. That alone isn't possible unless All Dragon Forms' attacks move objects at the speed of light. And even then light takes about 8 minutes to reach Earth from the sun. I think even trying to use teleportation logic is foolhardy with this one. It's best just to accept that this hapened and nothing else did and remain oblivious

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

So yeah. Guess All Dragon is pretty damn strong to send Phoenix that far that fast.

Guys, guys, guys, you're not seeing the simple explanation of it all...

A WIZARD DID IT

KRX · 02-20-2013, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Heat of the moment.
Easier to hit him towards the sun than to risk missing the black hole.
Black hole is too far for him to kick him towards, risking Phoenix recovering fast enough to fly back.

Pick your reasoning

1. He seemed to have planned to throw him into the sun. Black holes are still viable options.
2. Even if he missed the black hole, he'd have to be off by a few million miles, considering light, the fastest known entity in this universe, cannot escape a black hole.
3. I will give you that one. However, considering the speed at which Phoenix travelled to the sun, by the time he flew back to Earth, years would have passed, since Phoenix's speed was faster than that of light, and Phoenix cannot fly with that speed with his own power.

MidoGreen · 02-20-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

Guys, guys, guys, you're not seeing the simple explanation of it all...

A WIZARD DID IT

Discussion won

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xSkullheartx · 02-20-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

Guys, guys, guys, you're not seeing the simple explanation of it all...

A WIZARD DID IT

Momotachi · 02-20-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NGW

Haruto really went all out against Phoenix, I mean damn. Wanting him to suffer eternally, using his immortality against him and all that. That was hardcore and kinda badass haha, but really freaking cold. Glad to see some change in his character like that.

That bit really caught me off guard for a while. I kinda just stared at my screen for a while, wondering if I was still watching a kids' show. IMO that bit more than enough made up for the kind of poor visuals of the flight sequence. (Come on, Toei. You can do better than that!)

Dr Kain · 02-21-2013, 11:23 PM

Just watched 22 and 23 and they were awesome. The last 4 episodes of Wizard have been truly incredible and I was right, the show would really kick off after Beast came into play.

Nevertheless, what Haruto did to Phoenix has just made him one of the greatest Kamen Riders of all time. It reminds me of what the Doctor did to the Blood Family in Season 3. I loved it.

I doubt Phoenix is fully gone though, he'll come back and then be eaten by Beast.

Den-O · 02-21-2013, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Just watched 22 and 23 and they were awesome. The last 4 episodes of Wizard have been truly incredible and I was right, the show would really kick off after Beast came into play.

I doubt Phoenix is fully gone though, he'll come back and then be eaten by Beast.

I still think he should have been eaten to tie up this story line. For the time being though Phoenix' actor has left the show

bluesparrow · 02-22-2013, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Den-O

I still think he should have been eaten to tie up this story line. For the time being though Phoenix' actor has left the show

I think he'll come back like people have speculated. They could have written him out of the show much more permanently than they did.

Dr Kain · 02-22-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Den-O

I still think he should have been eaten to tie up this story line. For the time being though Phoenix' actor has left the show

But Beast isn't powerful enough yet to handle Phoenix.

However, if Phoenix returns, he'll most likely become the final boss of the series as it were due to how powerful he will be back from all of his resurrections.

Nevertheless, I look forward to seeing what they did with Gremlin because so far, I really love his character.

MidoGreen · 02-22-2013, 10:34 AM

You know if Phoenix does return, he's better be the final boss. It'd be refreshing to have a guy who doesn't give shit about scheming and just wants to rampage to be the final opponent over the consumate shady schemers we're used to.

02-20-2013, 01:13 AM	#41
KamenRiderOOO Resident Customizer The Guy with the Voices @TrueKROOO Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 11,089	Quote: Originally Posted by KRX Why didn't he just toss Phoenix into a black hole? I mean, he's a wizard- he's fully capable of pulling it off and surviving. Furthermore, the chances of Phoenix coming back stronger than before would be very low. Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast Rule of teleportation applies here, even if he's not teleporting Phoenix. He'd have to know where a Black Hole is in the first place. Quote: Originally Posted by KRX That's why we have Google. In fact, I just found one relatively close to Earth. Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast Heat of the moment. Easier to hit him towards the sun than to risk missing the black hole. Black hole is too far for him to kick him towards, risking Phoenix recovering fast enough to fly back. Pick your reasoning Quote: Originally Posted by Den-O Why even apply theoretical teleportation rules to this when they didn't even use real logic in this episode? He threw Phoenix into the sun. From Earth's surface. In like a matter of seconds. That's over 92,000,000 miles. That alone isn't possible unless All Dragon Forms' attacks move objects at the speed of light. And even then light takes about 8 minutes to reach Earth from the sun. I think even trying to use teleportation logic is foolhardy with this one. It's best just to accept that this hapened and nothing else did and remain oblivious Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast So yeah. Guess All Dragon is pretty damn strong to send Phoenix that far that fast. Guys, guys, guys, you're not seeing the simple explanation of it all... A WIZARD DID IT __________________ My signature disappeared. Help.

02-20-2013, 01:28 AM	#42
KRX Mild-Mannered Reporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Everywhere and nowhere, according to String Theory. Posts: 5,462	Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast Heat of the moment. Easier to hit him towards the sun than to risk missing the black hole. Black hole is too far for him to kick him towards, risking Phoenix recovering fast enough to fly back. Pick your reasoning 1. He seemed to have planned to throw him into the sun. Black holes are still viable options. 2. Even if he missed the black hole, he'd have to be off by a few million miles, considering light, the fastest known entity in this universe, cannot escape a black hole. 3. I will give you that one. However, considering the speed at which Phoenix travelled to the sun, by the time he flew back to Earth, years would have passed, since Phoenix's speed was faster than that of light, and Phoenix cannot fly with that speed with his own power. __________________ \|Tumblr\|Twitter\|Pinterest\|

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xSkullheartx Charging Up! Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Easton,Pennsylvania Posts: 2,463	Quote: Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO Guys, guys, guys, you're not seeing the simple explanation of it all... A WIZARD DID IT __________________

02-21-2013, 11:23 PM	#46
Dr Kain Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Englewood CO Posts: 10,893	Just watched 22 and 23 and they were awesome. The last 4 episodes of Wizard have been truly incredible and I was right, the show would really kick off after Beast came into play. Nevertheless, what Haruto did to Phoenix has just made him one of the greatest Kamen Riders of all time. It reminds me of what the Doctor did to the Blood Family in Season 3. I loved it. I doubt Phoenix is fully gone though, he'll come back and then be eaten by Beast. Last edited by Dr Kain; 02-21-2013 at 11:25 PM..

02-21-2013, 11:26 PM	#47
Den-O Admin AKA Zordon Content Director @DenO_TokuNation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 16,328	Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Kain Just watched 22 and 23 and they were awesome. The last 4 episodes of Wizard have been truly incredible and I was right, the show would really kick off after Beast came into play. I doubt Phoenix is fully gone though, he'll come back and then be eaten by Beast. I still think he should have been eaten to tie up this story line. For the time being though Phoenix' actor has left the show __________________