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Back to Carbon Rider Willard for a sec, even teh Phantoms are dumb. Wizzy uses his Hurricane dragon wings, and he's all like "you can fly too!?" Um, he was flying before. He can always fly in regular Hurricane mode. That's what Hurricane does! That's how he chased you there!

Also what, he used the shrink ring to... punch him and make him fall. Which he could have done better at normal size. Even the fights in this show make no sense.

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Sorry to double-post, but man these phantoms are dumb. Medusa is the worst villain ever. Lizard man has Wizard basically fucked and surrendering, then she knocks the hostage away. Seriosuly, all Lizard had to do was tell him to de-henshin and then Medusa could kill him easily! Add to that, instead of the two of them teaming up on Wizard and getting him out of the picture, she makes them run away just so that they can later despair one gate. ONE gate, out of the possible hundreds running around! Hell, they could just despair her afterwards. After Wizard is dead, change Lizard man into that guy, showing her he's dead, and boom! Insta-Phantom: just add heartbreak. Instead we get insta-deadPhantom: just add stupidity.

God this show is dumb in a new and exciting way. The plot is still decent, Hairytoes is still meh/okay/tolerable/neat, the secondary losers are on the backburner for now, but everyone else is about as smart as food not wrapped in bacon, which is to say: not smart. Not even the fights are any good anymore.

[Dr Kain]

Wizard is far better than OOO, which I thought was decent, so Wizard is far from dumb. Medusa is no worse than Mezool and Gamel, who were absolutely useless.

Man, why do I keep comparing Wizard with OOO? I guess it is probably because OOO is the only post-Decade series I was mildly disappointed with.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Wizard is far better than OOO, which I thought was decent, so Wizard is far from dumb.

Than why is Lizard man currently farting around in human form instead of just changing into his Phantom form and instantly despairing the girl?

Literally, he has the power to achieve his goal at any time he wants, and he wastes time like a chump, just maing it easier for Wizard to beat him and save her.

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Medusa is no worse than Mezool and Gamel, who were absolutely useless.

But Mezool and Gamel were not the only freaking villains in the show. They were hugely downplayed compared to Uva and Catface, who were much better villains even if I didn't like them.

Who else have we got in Wizard? Not-at-all-Wiseman and oh-God-make-him-shut-up-Phoenix.

OOO wipes the floor with Wizard in every possible way so far. Wizard is meandering, wheras even OOO in it's slow, musical-medals portion had some semblance of progression. This is just waiting for a Phantom, get a new ring with an even worse-looking form, wait for a Phantom, etc. Eiji was ten million times the character that Hairytoes is, Ankh was better than... well there's no real comparrison unless you want to use Shampoo, which is an easy win for OOO. Literally Wizard has done nothing better than OOO. It's either matched it or is worse.

[Matrixbeast]

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Wizard is far better than OOO, which I thought was decent, so Wizard is far from dumb. Medusa is no worse than Mezool and Gamel, who were absolutely useless.

Man, why do I keep comparing Wizard with OOO? I guess it is probably because OOO is the only post-Decade series I was mildly disappointed with.

I personally place OOO leagues ahead of Wizard.
Everything about Wizard just disappoints me.

OOO simply giving a reason why the villains don't just go full on beast mode against Eiji (Missing most of their cores and not having enough Cell Medals) makes them better than Wizard's Phoenix and Medusa (Who have proven that they're stronger than Haruto, but don't attack him directly and get him out of the way because...Because).

[Locke]

The villains are the weakest aspect of Wizard in my opinion, I never really felt they were any dumber than most Toku villains but my God were they bland.

Their human forms usually had quirks and gimmicks and they were really cool characters and then they'd go phantom mode, maybe throw a few punches and that was the end of them unless they have a spear which is the only weapon the Phantoms use apparently.

It's like the opposite of Kuuga with extremely flashy Riders and extremely bland villains.

[Matrixbeast]

I feel they're dumber.
In Fourze, they needed Fourze to aggravate the Zodiarts to find Horoscopes, initially (This sentence makes sense when you watch Fourze )
In OOO, they were severely weakened due to losing most of their medals.
In Double, they never considered Double to be a threat.

The other series tended to give better reasons. In Wizard, the titular character is a gigantic wrench in their plans that could have been solved by a double team with Medusa and Phoenix that never happened because Wiseman.

[KRX]

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I personally place OOO leagues ahead of Wizard.
Everything about Wizard just disappoints me.

OOO simply giving a reason why the villains don't just go full on beast mode against Eiji (Missing most of their cores and not having enough Cell Medals) makes them better than Wizard's Phoenix and Medusa (Who have proven that they're stronger than Haruto, but don't attack him directly and get him out of the way because...Because).

They haven't explained it yet. There is that hypothesis circulating that perhaps a Wizard is needed to obtain the Philosopher's Stone, which is why Wiseman needs Haruto alive.

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Let's systematically break down every aspect of both shows to show where Whee-zort needs improvement at this point, (where I'm watching) shall we?

-The main guy. Haruto doesn't come close to the level of character, character backstory, motivation or charm of Eiji.

-Plot. The story is a reactionary situation with no obvious plans for the villains besides "make more Phantoms" which they suck at. OOO had the Greeed fighting for core medals and making yummies for cell medals, which they were reasonably effective at. (one good thing about musical medals was that at least it meant the villains achieved something real now and again) We were also seeing actual character interactions and story amongst the villains in OOO at this point.

-Gimmick and action. The forms are boring and basic in Wizard, as well as just way too freaking samey for "achieved" forms. OOO combos were all different looking and had different powers and uses.

-Everyone else. The secondary cast for the hero was quite good in OOO, with the mysterious benefactor on one hand, Ankh on the other, and Hina and the diner lady just kinda shootin' the shit in the background. Brotou was wicked, Ankh was great. Here we have Stinko the world's shittiest detective; Shampoo the human stomach ulser, Kyomi the... Hina of the show, and that guy who makes the rings. Oh, and the donut cart thing and it's barely-there assistant.

-Chumps 'o' the week. The yummy parents are presented as greedy (sometimes) people who learn their lesson through tough love. The one staht are suppsoed to be sympathetic are truely sympathetic, unlike all the gates who we're supposed to feel sorry for but can really go jump off a bridge.

-Uh... Oh, and white Wizard. Or "that guy who's there sometimes."

Seems like OOO ticks all the boxes while Wizard doodles a picture of a cat at the bottom of the page.

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They haven't explained it yet. There is that hypothesis circulating that perhaps a Wizard is needed to obtain the Philosopher's Stone, which is why Wiseman needs Haruto alive.

Which makes not a damn bit of sense at this point since the Phantoms rather obviously want him out of the picture.

Oh good, I have retcons and contrivances to look forward to.

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I feel they're dumber.
In Fourze, they needed Fourze to aggravate the Zodiarts to find Horoscopes, initially (This sentence makes sense when you watch Fourze )
In OOO, they were severely weakened due to losing most of their medals.
In Double, they never considered Double to be a threat.

Nailed it.

Also in OOO they were fighting eachother a lot because they're all greedy assholes, and much liek the Decepticons of any given show, had pretty interesting in-fights. They gave it their best shot at teamwork, but honestly once they dropped the pretenses of workign togther they were more successful for the most part. And in W, they didn't know who he was for most of the time and, no flies on W here but, he never permanently halted their plans, and when he did, well, they fought plenty. Also the villains in W were real people who were public figures and couldn't just run out in the middle of a crowd and transform to fight. (until the end when they didn't give a shit. See; the villains developed over time!)

[Locke]

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The other series tended to give better reasons. In Wizard, the titular character is a gigantic wrench in their plans that could have been solved by a double team with Medusa and Phoenix that never happened because Wiseman.

The only reason I'm not gonna agree with this yet is because honestly we know basically NOTHING about how the Wizard Universe actually works yet, this close to the end of the series.

Is suppressing your Phantom really that big a deal? How does that allow you to use magic rings? What are the magic rings? What is the Sabbat? How does the Philosophers stone fit in?

It's unlikely but it still has so much left to answer that it could all make sense by the end.

But yeah I'm not a big fan of Wizard's forms either and it sounds like I really need to watch OOO.