[Locke]

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And I already told you. Because other shows have things worth forgiving the flaws. Wizard is JUST flaws and blandness. Haruto, even if I did like him, is not enough to forgive the show for literally every other aspect being pap.

There's just nothing going on. The show is so bland and when it's not bland it's annoying.

I still think the action sequences are enjoyable, Flame Styles and Flame Dragon are really cool and the final showdown between Phoenix and Wizard has to be one of my favourite Kamen Rider moments.

[SPLIT LIP]

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I still think the action sequences are enjoyable, Flame Styles and Flame Dragon are really cool and the final showdown between Phoenix and Wizard has to be one of my favourite Kamen Rider moments.

But all Rider shows have good action. The action, ironically, doesn't play a huge part in most people's evaluations of shows because it's, well, the one constant.

But if the action is the only thing it's got going for it, I mean really you can't figure out why people don't like Wizard? Hell, Shampoo alone is enough of an arguement to condemn Wizard for ages, but he's not the only flaw.

[Locke]

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But all Rider shows have good action. The action, ironically, doesn't play a huge part in most people's evaluations of shows because it's, well, the one constant.

But if the action is the only thing it's got going for it, I mean really you can't figure out why people don't like Wizard? Hell, Shampoo alone is enough of an arguement to condemn Wizard for ages, but he's not the only flaw.

I thought that once too, but after watching older series like Kuuga or just flat out boring shows like Blade and Kiva I realised that good action is not a given. Even OOO which was well made, had surprisingly restrained action sequences, so it isn't just that Wizard's action is good, it's big, energetic and super powered.

[SPLIT LIP]

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I thought that once too, but after watching older series like Kuuga or just flat out boring shows like Blade and Kiva I realised that good action is not a given. Even OOO which was well made, had surprisingly restrained action sequences, so it isn't just that Wizard's action is good, it's big, energetic and super powered.

It must just seem that way because the action is one of the few things you like, because it never looked that spectacular to me. Hell, Beast's first fight was kind of awful. I sat through sixteen episodes and can't remember a single action sequence besides that one, and that's just because it was the last one I saw.

And again, you don't realise saying it but the flaws really just outweigh the pros. I can't stand beast, he's horrible in every way. I can't stand Rinko, or Shunpei, or Kyomi or the clowns that raided the costume departement and got mistaken for villains. Every character in that show is physically painful to watch because of how awful they are as actors or characters. A few pretty fight scenes aren't worth it when I can get the same entertainment from a much better series that isn't annoying.

[Locke]

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It must just seem that way because the action is one of the few things you like, because it never looked that spectacular to me. Hell, Beast's first fight was kind of awful.

And again, you don't realise saying it but the flaws really just outweigh the pros. I can't stand beast, he's horrible in every way. I can't stand Rinko, or Shunpei, or Kyomi or the clowns that raided the costume departement and got mistaken for villains. Every character in that show is physically painful to watch because of how awful they are as actors or characters. A few pretty fight scenes aren't worth it when I can get the same entertainment from a much better series that isn't annoying.

Oh I don't think Wizard is a GREAT series but I at least think it's a fun series and although that doesn't cut it for me most of the time, I think it's okay now and then simply to enjoy a show for being fun. I'm sorry you're not enjoying it but I like Haruto a lot and I enjoy the action a lot, so it was fun with me even with its wall of problems.

Beast is wasted yes, Rinko is super hot (hey I may as well find a reason for her to be here the show doesn't ) and somehow the show made the Phantom's monster forms far less interesting than their human forms, how the fuck do you do that?

[Battlizer]

Blade 44

Hajime and Mutsuki might be a little rash in thinking beating up their friends will free them of their 'Undead Control. Although if Hajime didn't smell Undead on them earlier, then...maybe he shouldn't have attacked.

Ah, it was Titan Trial Undead posing as them. I don't blame Tachibana for thinking that the TitanMutsuki was the real thing going evil again. The part where it posed as Hajime and gleefully punched Kenzaki with brass knuckles was hilarious. Also hilarious, Kenzaki instantly recognizing Mutuski's moping as proof of who he was.

Oh man they got me with this one. I thought Hajime was seriously having another Joker freakout at the worst possible time. I had no idea that he could willingly change into that form, though. It's...sort of weird that he can, honestly.

Stag Beetle Undead seems to think Joker isn't done for yet. Still cool that all the Riders are FINALLY working together. Even all pitching in to give Kenzaki a new attack. Well...a palette swap of his standard King Form special. The scene earlier with Kenzaki squirting lemon juice in the eyes of Hajime was pretty funny, but Hajime getting him back was funnier.

So the card Tenjouji has that the tiger Undead was so afraid of was Cerberus. Yeah, generally those are pretty bad news.



Blade 45

Interesting, slightly spoilery promo in the opening... Anyway...Tenjouji just slaughtered all of his staff. Or at least the Cerberus Undead did.

Ah, a Mutsuki episode I actually might like! Maybe. He might be the only Rider to have moral quandaries about sealing the Undead. Which I can see due to the fact that the two most kind spirited Undead freed him from the Spider Undead's control.

Hmm...Kenzaki seems to be developing Undead senses now like Hajime. At least when it comes to Joker. Interesting... Man, Nozomi can make the most exasperated looking expressions sometimes...

Ah, I almost forgot. King Form still slowly transforms Kenzaki into a second Joker Undead. Mutsuki's talk with the Stag Beetle Undead was interesting, even if his pleas for peace were futile. Cerberus Undead's pretty powerful though. Especially is he can break through King Form's finishing move.

But it looks Cerberus Undead didn't fully live up to Tenjouji's expectations, seeing as how it couldn't withstand it a second time.

[Wolfexia]

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Because there's nothing TO enjoy. None of the characters are any real fun to watch, none of the action (while perfectly fine) is that incredible. The story has nothing amazing to it. There's no hook. There's nothing that takes us in and makes us want to watch and accept all the other bad stuff. There's no memorable characters, no really unique, deep story, not even the suits are all that interesting. They're all, even the bad guys, just bland to look at on screen. Not even bad, just bland.

There's literally nothing Wizard gives us that a past series doesn't give us more of. It's completely vanilla in every way and that REALLY makes the flaws apparent. There's no hyper-charrismatic lead to carry it, no interesting premise like a mirror world, half-and-half rider, floating arm made of medals or train full of crazy monsters, no badass suits or incredible action, even the belt is boring. (and sounds awful) It's a good guy fighting generic villains and everything is textbook first step to making Kamen Rider.

Actually I love the expressions of shunpei and the donut shop people and I agree that wizard is flawed but honestly I like hibiki most of the three because even though he doesn't develop we have todoroki and asumu for that. I love how mysterious kuuga is so far but out of the three it's my least favorite so far

[Locke]

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Actually I love the expressions of shunpei and the donut shop people and I agree that wizard is flawed but honestly I like hibiki most of the three because even though he doesn't develop we have todoroki and asumu for that. I love how mysterious kuuga is so far but out of the three it's my least favorite so far

Kuuga isn't mysterious, it just doesn't explain anything. Not even by the end is everything properly explained. Apparently that is okay for Kuuga but not for Fourze. Fucking hypocrisy I swear.

Black 08. This show sure loves Satan huh?

I love how, inexplicably, Kotaro and those two girls manage to always be there in the victim of the weeks lives, right before they are targeted by a Mutant. Like literally they don't meet these people until like half an hour before they get targeted. It's kinda dumb. At least in the past Kotaro had reasons(ish) for pursuing what he did but now he is just...there, like the chicks are.

The action was great though. It's funny that this show has better action than the other show I'm watching, Blade, which was released like twenty years after this.

[Matrixbeast]

I think Wizard's biggest flaw in it's action is it's restraint, surprisingly.

We have a character who can shrink down, who can grow limbs, who can clone himself, who can freeze enemies, who can turn into water, who can go full blown Schwarzenegger on enemies.

And yet all we see in any consistent basis (Beyond "Connect" to get his sword/gun) are defend and bind. I know you think highly of Wizard's action, but to me, it looks like I'm watching Kiva with a dumber looking sword. Wizard may swing his skirt around, but it just don't change that his fighting style doesn't feel unique or look any special outside of his Kick Strike (Which is used so rarely that I tend to forget he even has it at times).

And if he can spam Drago Time and still go into Infinity in the same fight, then I refuse to believe the "Limited Mana" excuse, which only comes up when it's needed to advance the plot or save Medusa from getting axed.

[Wolfexia]

I'm hoping white wizard is going to get some scenes where he uses rings like wizard did in the beginning only against like a horde of phantoms cuz the spells are cool I just wish wizard could godmod them kinda like how badass cosmic states could have been if he used the chest more