What are you watching? (Kamen Rider Edition)

SPLIT LIP · 03-19-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

Yeah, except everyone who actually watches Agito still has nothing but praise for its story, its characters, and its designs.

That means little.

The problem with Agito is, again, the guise of quality is there. There's still something for people to latch onto and think it's good.

But the story? God did it. The characters? Cutouts. The designs? Actually the designs were fucking awesome.

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It still holds up as one of my all-time favorites after two full watches and having seen almost every other series in the franchise start to finish. Honestly, the only two Rider shows I like more are Black and the good part of Hibiki.

Good for you.

I don't.

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And there's a reason why nobody talks about Faiz. It's a show that ends by burning off any goodwill it may have created and then practically kicking the viewer in the happy-sack on the way out.

So? That doesn't change my arguement. It merely ENFORCES it.

If Faiz left that much of a sour taste, it's no surprised people swarmed Agito. Same reason people think Transformers Energon starts off good. It doesn't, but most people maintain that, simply because a great number of them disliked Armada.

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

The area had been evacuated beforehand because Godai was afraid of what would happen when he used the Rising Mighty kick. And from this point onwards they always made it a point to lure enemies into secluded areas before using that finisher. The moment did lead to the police having second thoughts about their association with him, though, as well as some bad press.

That's one hell of an evactation. Aside from the fireball itself, the explosion and fallout area would be HUGE. Pretty much all the visible land in that shot would've had SOME damage done at the apex of that explosion.

Locke · 03-19-2014, 04:05 PM

I love that "Well EVERYONE says" exaggeration because I seem to remember everyone said the world was flat and despite being the popular opinion that didn't make it the right one.

Switchblade · 03-19-2014, 04:08 PM

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I love that "Well EVERYONE says" exaggeration because I seem to remember everyone said the world was flat and despite being the popular opinion that didn't make it the right one.

Well that doesn't change the fact that SPLIT LIP is dead wrong about...

Oh.

Oh man.

Is this what it feels like to be a Kiva fan when I start relentlessly trashing it?

Damn it, karma.

guncannon109 · 03-19-2014, 04:10 PM

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Well that doesn't change the fact that SPLIT LIP is dead wrong about...

Oh.

Oh man.

Is this what it feels like to be a Kiva fan when I start relentlessly trashing it?

Damn it, karma.

Pretty much.

SPLIT LIP · 03-19-2014, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

Well that doesn't change the fact that SPLIT LIP is dead wrong...

About what?

So far all I've done is given sound points supported by in-show events.

All you've done is say "But EVERYONE ELSE-"

Battlizer · 03-19-2014, 04:13 PM

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No, sorry, you can't pull "b-b-b-b-but Kamen Rider is so sillyz!"

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

Look, I just felt that other series (Kiva) had way more nonsensical things worth getting worked up about. Then again, when you mentioned had mentioned planet kicking, I envisioned something different.

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It's called suspension of disbelief. It's the same way I can accept that a man can fly and have super speed, but not that he can juggle moons.

Logistics still work within absurd concepts. You can visualise someone turning into a superhero. You can visualise them kicking and killing a monster. You cannot, in any way that does not look ridiculously implausible, visualise them destroying a planet by KICKING it.

Sure I can, if hey started off from space and launched a flying kick at a planet at high speed. That's what I first thought of at least, not Kuuga nuking an entire town by kicking a monster.

Kamen Rider Lucha · 03-19-2014, 04:15 PM

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I dunno whether you're calling me contrary but err...thanks?

Wasn't referring to you. Your dislikes are usually well reasoned.

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I'd assume it was initially popular because of its culture place but that doesn't explain how people are still watching it today, while still being ignorant of the shows many, many, many failings.

I think it is probably still interesting as a historical curiosity.

I read on another forum that Kuuga is like a great band's first EP. Sure, it's raw and not always good -- but it shows flashes of excellence that would be actualized in later series.

I'm already in love with KR, so I'm not worried about not liking it. I'm just very interested in seeing the genesis of this new era of KR.

Locke · 03-19-2014, 04:15 PM

"Usually."

Kamen Rider Lucha · 03-19-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

"Usually."

None of us are rational 100% of the time.

SPLIT LIP · 03-19-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Battlizer

Look, I just felt that other series (Kiva) had way more nonsensical things worth getting worked up about.

Kiva isn't hailed as a masterpiece now is it?

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Sure I can, if hey started off from space and launched a flying kick at a planet at high speed.

Uh, no.

Then he'd just crash into the planet. He'd maybe make a huge crater or something, but no, he wouldn't destroy our beloved Urf. Urf is huge. Most people cannot fathom the size of our planet, though they may think they do.

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I read on another forum that Kuuga is like a great band's first EP. Sure, it's raw and not always good -- but it shows flashes of excellence that would be actualized in later series.

That doesn't explain why it's considered the best.

03-19-2014, 04:00 PM	#9791
SPLIT LIP I'm an agile cat. Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,032	Quote: Originally Posted by Switchblade Yeah, except everyone who actually watches Agito still has nothing but praise for its story, its characters, and its designs. That means little. The problem with Agito is, again, the guise of quality is there. There's still something for people to latch onto and think it's good. But the story? God did it. The characters? Cutouts. The designs? Actually the designs were fucking awesome. Quote: It still holds up as one of my all-time favorites after two full watches and having seen almost every other series in the franchise start to finish. Honestly, the only two Rider shows I like more are Black and the good part of Hibiki. Good for you. I don't. Quote: And there's a reason why nobody talks about Faiz. It's a show that ends by burning off any goodwill it may have created and then practically kicking the viewer in the happy-sack on the way out. So? That doesn't change my arguement. It merely ENFORCES it. If Faiz left that much of a sour taste, it's no surprised people swarmed Agito. Same reason people think Transformers Energon starts off good. It doesn't, but most people maintain that, simply because a great number of them disliked Armada. Quote: Originally Posted by Switchblade The area had been evacuated beforehand because Godai was afraid of what would happen when he used the Rising Mighty kick. And from this point onwards they always made it a point to lure enemies into secluded areas before using that finisher. The moment did lead to the police having second thoughts about their association with him, though, as well as some bad press. That's one hell of an evactation. Aside from the fireball itself, the explosion and fallout area would be HUGE. Pretty much all the visible land in that shot would've had SOME damage done at the apex of that explosion. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 03-19-2014 at 04:04 PM..

03-19-2014, 04:05 PM	#9792
Locke Big Bad Wolf. Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raiding tombs. Posts: 9,529	I love that "Well EVERYONE says" exaggeration because I seem to remember everyone said the world was flat and despite being the popular opinion that didn't make it the right one. __________________

03-19-2014, 04:15 PM	#9798
Locke Big Bad Wolf. Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raiding tombs. Posts: 9,529	"Usually." __________________

03-19-2014, 04:25 PM	#9800
SPLIT LIP I'm an agile cat. Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,032	Quote: Originally Posted by Battlizer Look, I just felt that other series (Kiva) had way more nonsensical things worth getting worked up about. Kiva isn't hailed as a masterpiece now is it? Quote: Sure I can, if hey started off from space and launched a flying kick at a planet at high speed. Uh, no. Then he'd just crash into the planet. He'd maybe make a huge crater or something, but no, he wouldn't destroy our beloved Urf. Urf is huge. Most people cannot fathom the size of our planet, though they may think they do. Quote: Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha I read on another forum that Kuuga is like a great band's first EP. Sure, it's raw and not always good -- but it shows flashes of excellence that would be actualized in later series. That doesn't explain why it's considered the best. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 03-19-2014 at 04:27 PM..