[henshinzero]

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Originally Posted by TheRaizin

That won't happen. Him attacking other swordsmen out of control can happen, but not consciously and with intention to do so. Touma has shown he has no biz bring angry with the northern swordsmen cuz he knows it's not his fault. However, can we see him lash out at Kenzan without Primitive? Maybe, but with the intention to kill? No.

His "pent-up frustration" is towards Reika, as shown in previous episodes. He's shown not to hold it against the other swordsmen.

Well that's not fair. True lash at Reika, but Kenzan's a brat that needs to be punished!

[ArmadaPrime]

Oh man, I love those designs for both Oogami and his wife!

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Originally Posted by ShiShiLeo

So we better prepare ourselves for the reason why Ogami's wife does not appear in Saber.

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Originally Posted by TheRaizin

One thing to also note is Dezast's history and rivalry with Ogami. The two seems to have been butting heads with each other for a long time now, so, it'd be nice to see how it began. I'm guessing it's Storious trying out his tri-megid experiment for the first time, the only question is who was the unfortunate victim.

... they wouldn't, would they?
I'm not sure if they timings would work out as I don't think we know for certain how old Sora is, nor when Dezast first appeared, but it would be particularly heart-wrenching!

[henshinzero]

What if Ren once had a mother who tried to get him away from the Sword of Logos, fearing of what they'll do to him and make him do & think?

They killed her and they turned Kenzan into a mindless pawn/weapon.

Just thinking like Onimusha 2 on how Fuma Kotaro died.

It would explain Ren's behavior & mindset.

[Future Rider Prism]

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Originally Posted by henshinzero

What if Ren once had a mother who tried to get him away from the Sword of Logos, fearing of what they'll do to him and make him do & think?

They killed her and they turned Kenzan into a mindless pawn/weapon.

Just thinking like Onimusha 2 on how Fuma Kotaro died.

It would explain Ren's behavior & mindset.

They already explained his mindset like, months ago.

He literally watched his best friend DIE in front of him. Then the new guy that his friend was ditching him for says that the murderer was right.

I know Ren's not really the most likeable character right now, but you know what? He has plenty of reason to not trust Touma right now. He's still in the wrong, but that doesn't mean hes a monster or deserves to be murdered or anything. He's a person suffering from a deep personal loss, not a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.

[gashatfreak]

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Originally Posted by Future Rider Prism

They already explained his mindset like, months ago.

He literally watched his best friend DIE in front of him. Then the new guy that his friend was ditching him for says that the murderer was right.

I know Ren's not really the most likeable character right now, but you know what? He has plenty of reason to not trust Touma right now. He's still in the wrong, but that doesn't mean hes a monster or deserves to be murdered or anything. He's a person suffering from a deep personal loss, not a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.

Add to the fact that his personality was already childish enough before Kento 'died' and you have the recipe for an emotionally unstable rampaging berserker.

[Chasing]

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Originally Posted by Future Rider Prism

I know Ren's not really the most likeable character right now, but you know what? He has plenty of reason to not trust Touma right now. He's still in the wrong, but that doesn't mean hes a monster or deserves to be murdered or anything. He's a person suffering from a deep personal loss, not a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.

This isn't something you can explain to people who are mentally ill. You'll notice that these are the same people who absolutely hate Reika.

It's a show - a fucking Kamen Rider series, at that. You aren't supposed to like everyone. It's okay for characters to be despicable and flawed. We're the audience - we are literally being spoonfed information that is supposed to lead us to certain conclusions, for the time being.

We need a character like Ren - a rookie, just like Touma.

[Sh Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Chasing

This isn't something you can explain to people who are mentally ill. You'll notice that these are the same people who absolutely hate Reika.

It's a show - a fucking Kamen Rider series, at that. You aren't supposed to like everyone. It's okay for characters to be despicable and flawed. We're the audience - we are literally being spoonfed information that is supposed to lead us to certain conclusions, for the time being.

We need a character like Ren - a rookie, just like Touma.

Mental illness can explain Ren's actions but it doesn't justify them. Kusaka was also a psychopath but that doesn't mean he was a good guy or a victim of some condition. His actions were still his own, he manipulated people, he knew what he was doing and he didn't care about anybody's desires beyond his own. Mitsuzane is the worst case of this though.

In Ren's case, his philosophy that strength is justice lacks nuance which is why he couldn't accept that Kamijo defeated Kento. He's like an AI being told a paradox and can't understand the truth is more complicated than it seems on the surface. However, Ren made a choice to antagonize Touma instead of giving him a chance to explain himself. That's not a problem with Ren's philosophy, that's just a problem with Ren.

[Future Rider Prism]

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Mental illness can explain Ren's actions but it doesn't justify them. Kusaka was also a psychopath but that doesn't mean he was a good guy or a victim of some condition. His actions were still his own, he manipulated people, he knew what he was doing and he didn't care about anybody's desires beyond his own. Mitsuzane is the worst case of this though.

In Ren's case, his philosophy that strength is justice lacks nuance which is why he couldn't accept that Kamijo defeated Kento. He's like an AI being told a paradox and can't understand the truth is more complicated than it seems on the surface. However, Ren made a choice to antagonize Touma instead of giving him a chance to explain himself. That's not a problem with Ren's philosophy, that's just a problem with Ren.

Yeah, he's seeing everything in black-and-white, and refusing to consider that Touma might be right. He's refusing to think in general, actually.

I might need to explain: I never meant to "excuse" what Ren was doing (though I can see how it might sound like that. oops). He's still very much the one in the wrong here. But I'm tired of people saying "I don't like this character, so the hero who wants to save people should go against everything the show stands for and murder them," and then getting mad when that doesn't happen.

I know I can't tell anyone how they should watch a show, and maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all. Maybe I've taken things too far. I'm not sure anymore.

I don't even like Ren that much. I just think there's more to the character than, "he's bad."

[Kurona]

01 RealXTime and Saber Phoenix Swordman release on April 21st!

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/%E5%86...=UTF8&qid=&sr=

[kamen rider Q]

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Originally Posted by Kurona

01 RealXTime and Saber Phoenix Swordman release on April 21st!

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/%E5%86...=UTF8&qid=&sr=

That's somewhat sooner than I expected, but it's still ages!