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The Riders must come together against President Bocca.
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Original, unedited post: Yep. My hypothesis in my post in episode 43 thread here is proven to be quite correct in this episode @ 12:23 when Liselle the spoiled rich brat is kidnapped by Lango Mango after he beats up the Butler who's guarding her. She's ultimately just an emotional vulnerability for Bocca, and ends up being a mere bait to lure Bocca out in order to be gangbanged by Lango Mango and the Riders. What's even infinitely stupider is the fact that Bocca (who is the Granutes' frakkin' president!) doesn't even order his personal presidential security force or the Granute military's best spec-ops team to deal with Lango Mango's petty scheme. Where's his authority as a leader, or to be exact, a ruthless, corrupt, despotic leader? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Elaborated, edited post: In the opening monologue @ 00:01, Shouma says that Bocca has commenced his plan to dominate the human world by forcing humans to be hApPy and manipulate them as cattle. Maaannn, this atrocious story really really reeeeeally needs to tone down their hApPy hApPy hApPy hApPiNeSs nonsense. It feels like they're trying to Jedi mind trick me into being hApPy hApPy hApPy, haha. ![]() In the scene @ 00:23, Bocca has defeated Shouma/KR Gavv and Hanto/KR Valen, and he could very very very easily finish them off right then and there. Stupidly, as always, he doesn't do that, because 1 minute later Liselle is told by a Butler that the Stomach workers have finished retrieving the Hito Pressed humans, and they casually head back to the Granute world. Bocca has been given several golden chances to easily kill pretty much all the Riders, but he has never done that. Why? The answer is soooooooooooooooooooo painfully obvious: Because he's stupid (like all the characters in this atrocious story), and the writers needed him to be defeated by Lango Mango and the Riders later in this episode. In the scene @ 03:00, Shouma, Hanto, and Lage 9 are talking about Nyelv's idiotic, nonsensical death at the end of episode 47 last week. Well, I'm also still laughing at the sheer, utter stupidity, idiocy, braindeadness of that atrocious, Yuuya Takahashi-level plot twist (read: asspull) scene, haha. ![]() In the scene @ 05:23, Lage 9 is trying to spray Sachika's and Masaru's Hito Presses with Dente-made neutralizer/antidote for Stomach's gaseous/liquid copy of his awfully plot-convenient hApPiNeSs neurotoxin in order to neutralize the hypnotizing effect of the Dummy RG's. In the scene @ 06:12, Liselle is showing Bocca a box of high-quality Hito Pressed humans, and yes, the very satisfied Bocca himself acknowledges his plan to not only manipulate the next election, but also the entire Granute society. So yeah, exactly like I've said since several episodes ago, Bocca's endgame is pretty much using the Dark Snacks to manipulate the entire Granute society, starting with the aristocrats/wealthy. What's utterly stupid, idiotic, and braindead is that it's a totally unnecessary plan, because he already had a similar plan but much simpler. I'd like to repost my point about it in the 3rd paragraph of my post in episode 43 thread here: "I think perhaps Bocca's endgame (about transforming the entire human world into a planet-scale Hito Press farm) is part of his ultimate political scheme of manipulating virtually all of Granute's population by using Dark Snacks. Buuuuuttttt, at the beginning of episode 41, it was shown that he already had the dead body of his assassinated political rival whom he said to possess hypnosis power. If Nyelv was able to combine the poor Granute politician's body with Kenzou's body, then he should've been able to combine it with another Granute's body, and then used it to hypnotize the entire Granute population. Which means: Bocca already had all the ingredients to create his ultimate tool of mass hypnosis that he'd ultimately use as his political weapon, without even involving Stomach corporation (except Nyelv) Dark Snacks, kidnapping humans, and all that crap. Bocca's convoluted endgame (about transforming the entire human world into a planet-scale Hito Press farm) is just the same exact plan with 10 extra steps, which of course, will end in Bocca's (and Liselle's) death, haha. ![]() ![]() ![]() What he should do is: - Keep the dead body of his assassinated political rival who he said to possess hypnosis power. - Combine it with another Granute's body. - Use it to manipulate the entire Granute population. - Win the election and be the dictator president for the next 100 years. Instead, what he's actually been doing is: - Keep the dead body of his assassinated political rival who he said to possess hypnosis power. - Combine it with a human's body. - Use it to manipulate the entire human population. - Use the entire human population as ingredients of Dark Snacks. - Feed the Dark Snacks to the entire Granute population and manipulate them. - Win the election and be the dictator president for the next 100 years. - Of course, his convoluted plan will be screwed up at the last minutes by the protagonists, and it will end in Bocca's (and Liselle's) death. Instead of winning the election by using a simple, straightforward plan, he's decided to use an uber-convoluted plan that will result in his own death. If this is what'll actually happen in the story, then I can only say: What a dumb politician Bocca is! ![]() ![]() ![]() Liselle is about to tell Jeebh to sell the Dark Snacks right away. Bocca asks her how long is she gonna keep Jeebh who he calls a weak son-in-law, since he's already holding the full control of the Stomach corporation, Dark Snacks factory, and the so-called Door Room. She says that she simply likes to see Jeebh who she also calls weak struggling in his weakness. Basically, she likes to keep him weak, and that's probably she was baffled in episode 47 @ 06:47 when his only reply was, "Thanks. I already knew that you'd say that, Liselle." She was baffled because he was starting to become actually stronger. She always fanned the flame and told him to become stronger, and now she was baffled when he actually became stronger and thanked her for her support (as he himself says @ 07:35 to Shita's ghost)? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() In the scene @ 08:06, Lage 9 is releasing Masaru from his Hito Press. Later after Shouma has made his deal with Lango Mango, Masaru is trying to help Shouma when he sees that Lage 9 is about to go to Shouma's location because he thinks it's too dangerous for Lage 9 and Shouma. Great, now Masaru is also a busybody like Sachika is. After Sachika tells him that Shouma and the others have been through a lot, he probably starts to realize that Shouma and the others could be Kamen Riders. In the scene @ 09:10, Shouma returns to the location where Sachika found the door (where one of Nyelv's agents was transporting several part-timers back into the Granute world) in a very very very convenient coincidence in episode 46 @ 07:57. He's trying to look for Lango Mango there. And yes, there he is. He's offering to help Shouma defeat Bocca. In the scene @ 10:57, Shouma, Hanto, and Lage 9 are discussing about Lango Mango's proposal about joining forces to defeat Bocca. Shouma's condition for the deal is that Lango Mango must withdraw Stomach corporation's entire Dark Snack operation from the human world. Lango Mango agrees to the deal because he says his goal is to reclaim the Stomach corporation and rebuild the Stomach family, and his part of the deal is to lure Bocca out. In the scene @ 12:23, Liselle the spoiled rich brat is kidnapped by Lango Mango after he beats up the Butler who's guarding her. Yep. My hypothesis in my post in episode 43 thread here is proven to be quite correct in this scene. She's ultimately just an emotional vulnerability for Bocca, and ends up being a mere bait to lure Bocca out in order to be gangbanged by Lango Mango and the Riders. And when her job of being an emotional bait for Bocca is done, she's freed by Jeebh @ 14:22. What's even infinitely stupider is the fact that Bocca (who is the Granutes' frakkin' president!) doesn't even order his personal presidential security force or the Granute military's best spec-ops team to deal with Lango Mango's petty scheme. Where's his authority as a leader, or to be exact, a ruthless, corrupt, despotic leader? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Long atrocious story short, Bocca the stupidest politician villain is embarrassingly defeated and killed after being gangbanged by Lango Mango and the Riders. There goes Bocca. He dies in the same episode where his full Granute form is shown. Yep, like I've said above, he's been given several golden chances to easily kill pretty much all the Riders, but he's never done that because the writers needed him to be defeated by Lango Mango and the Riders in this episode. The stupidest part of his embarrassing defeat is when he's stabbed in the back by Lango Mango @ 20:57 in a typical Yuuya Takahashi-level shock factor scene. Lango Mango's last appearance on the screen is @ 16:32, and he's totally absent from the scene, not even one line of dialogue... Until he comes out of nowhere exactly 4 minutes 25 seconds later @ 20:57 to conveniently stab Bocca in the back. Bocca doesn't even keep track of where his enemies are, and that's soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo conveniently stupid! ![]() ![]() ![]() Gavv 48 @ 16:32 ![]() Gavv 48 @ 20:57 ![]() Oh, and I've just realized that the KR Gavv Amazin Gummy form was actually the one shown in the preview scene of episode 47 last week. I completely mistook it for KR Gavv Gochipod form Over mode due to them having very very very similar helmet shapes and very very very similar metallic orange color schemes. I didn't even bother to check KR Official website because I was too busy laughing at Nyelv's idiotic, nonsensical death, haha. ![]() ![]() ![]() Now that Bocca is embarrassingly defeated, does it mean the story ends? Of course not, because it's revealed that Lango Mango doesn't keep his end of the bargain and chose to keep Bocca's assets for himself. It's revealed that Lango Mango is now the one who holds the ownership of Liselle's copy of Kenzoumbie/KR Bitter Gavv v4.0's Bake Magnum. What a shocker... Not, haha. ![]() Next week: Masaru has finally realized that Shouma and the others are Kamen Raidaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. It means: In the epilogue, Shouma would very likely live with him hApPiLy eVeR aFtEr, haha. ![]() And gosh, Jeebh is just soooooooooooooooooo painful to look at. He's become a character that has overstayed his welcome for way way waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too long. I was very stoked about his character, and now he's become a forgotten character. Now I can only ask, "Why the heck is he still in the story? When will he be eliminated?" Shita's death (which I think is ironically was the only one with somewhat satisfying ending among the other Stomach villains) in episode 14 at the hands of Shouma/KR Gavv Caking form was virtually in vain. You can't have nice things when the writers are 1000000000000000000000000% total hacks, haha. ![]() ![]() ![]() And what about Liselle the spoiled rich brat? Perhaps she usurps Bocca's position, or is betrayed by Jeebh, or becomes Lango Mango's lackey, or is killed by Lango Mango, or gets off scot-free to be the villain for the V-Cinext or post-series story. Who knows. Mmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeee... Last edited by Zolda; 08-17-2025 at 01:42 AM.. |
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Jeebh and Liesel's relationship seems to be headed for a breakup or a role reversal, given that Jeebh is slowly regaining his confidence and Liesel has lost her powerful father. Although divorce is the least that threatens these two, given Bocca's death and the imminent end of the show.
The most interesting thing is that Vram, who ran away from him, was enough for Jeebh to believe that he is capable for winning. Although Lakiya himself simply did not want to risk the lives of Sachika and Masaru. He also did not participate in catching the bad Gochizo, instead using the antidote left by Dente. This led to a funny-cute-awkward dialogue with Sachika. Nothing special and perhaps too polite, but it is great that there are no more secrets between these two. Hanto seems to be very impressed by Nyelv's actions and therefore does not object to an alliance with Lango. Shouma has gained confidence and reminds his older brother that he needs help no less than the riders. Unfortunately, Lango is not inclined to compromise or truce and simply wants to replace the dead Bokka. Well, I guess he will pay for it in the next episode. As for the battle with the president, it takes place in a canyon and is a parade of special effects. At first glance, this is not the best choice, because the action scenes in Gavv shine precisely due to interesting interaction with the environment. But still, the canyon makes sense. In the show itself, this place was chosen by the riders, which means they wanted to avoid the destruction that would be inevitable with Bocca's powerful attacks. If you look at it from the point of view of the script, President Zeludak is the strongest, but not the main antagonist. Therefore, it makes sense to save the most spectacular moments for the showdown between Shouma and the two remaining brothers. And a few words about Burning AmazingGummy. Shouma was ready to fight against an invincible force without giving up, and that is what gave birth to the force that could win. I also like that he eats gummy mixed with rocks, thus reconciling his human and Granute halves. Also, both the henshin and the form itself are extremely scary, recalling the theme of "riders are like monsters" that was mentioned but never developed in the show. And finally, I'm glad that Gavv doesn't put the advertising of the new form above the teamwork and, even in the debut fights, gives other riders a chance to prove themselves. So it is here. The new form didn't defeat Bocca, but only turned the tide of the fight. And it was the combined efforts of the trio plus Lango that won. The preview promises that Masaru will learn about the riders. Well, given the circumstances, it couldn't be any other way. Also, considering that there are only two episodes left, I think the next one will be dedicated to the battle with Lango, who has identified himself as the main threat. And Jeebh will get the finale, to follow the tradition of the last rider vs. rider fight. Last edited by Mesnick; 08-18-2025 at 05:24 AM.. |
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I'd like to repost my point about it in the 3rd paragraph of my post in episode 43 thread here:
"I think perhaps Bocca's endgame (about transforming the entire human world into a planet-scale Hito Press farm) is part of his ultimate political scheme of manipulating virtually all of Granute's population by using Dark Snacks. Buuuuuttttt, at the beginning of episode 41, it was shown that he already had the dead body of his assassinated political rival whom he said to possess hypnosis power. If Nyelv was able to combine the poor Granute politician's body with Kenzou's body, then he should've been able to combine it with another Granute's body, and then used it to hypnotize the entire Granute population. Which means: Bocca already had all the ingredients to create his ultimate tool of mass hypnosis that he'd ultimately use as his political weapon, without even involving Stomach corporation (except Nyelv) Dark Snacks, kidnapping humans, and all that crap. Bocca's convoluted endgame (about transforming the entire human world into a planet-scale Hito Press farm) is just the same exact plan with 10 extra steps, which of course, will end in Bocca's (and Liselle's) death, haha. ![]() ![]() ![]() What he should do is: - Keep the dead body of his assassinated political rival who he said to possess hypnosis power. - Combine it with another Granute's body. - Use it to manipulate the entire Granute population. - Win the election and be the dictator president for the next 100 years. Instead, what he's actually been doing is: - Keep the dead body of his assassinated political rival who he said to possess hypnosis power. - Combine it with a human's body. - Use it to manipulate the entire human population. - Use the entire human population as ingredients of Dark Snacks. - Feed the Dark Snacks to the entire Granute population and manipulate them. - Win the election and be the dictator president for the next 100 years. - Of course, his convoluted plan will be screwed up at the last minutes by the protagonists, and it will end in Bocca's (and Liselle's) death. Instead of winning the election by using a simple, straightforward plan, he's decided to use an uber-convoluted plan that will result in his own death. If this is what'll actually happen in the story, then I can only say: What a dumb politician Bocca is! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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The Immortal King Tasty
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![]() Okay but like, *why* is he red now, though? That's the somewhat major hangup I'm having with this episode. AmazinGummy might add some spice to that fight scene, but as for what it adds to the story? I'm really struggling to see it, which is a rare feeling for me to have with this show. Fiery heroic determination personified in some literally fiery new form just doesn't seem specific enough to Gavv to warrant introducing a new suit here? I don't think I mentioned this at the time, but I loved that line from Master Mode's debut, where Shouma remarks that its power feels calm in a way he hasn't felt before. I loved it because it spoke to the inner peace Shouma had attained through fully and completely recognizing his own worth, which meant so much after 36 episodes of people like Lango constantly trying to deny it. A scene like that is unlikely to make anywhere near as much sense dropped into most other Rider shows, but a scene like the one in this episode could almost be in *any* episode of any series? Which is a brutally blunt way to put it, but without a more specific thematic purpose or a tasty new snack shared with loved ones, or at least some candy-related powers for the form itself, it's difficult not to feel the whole essence of Gavv is missing from AmazinGummy Form, despite the typically impressive style of the fight scene it's in. (Also, credit where it's due for having Shouma defiantly eating candy to create the Gochizo, which is at least a strong visual you wouldn't get in another show's version of that scene.) I also thought for a second that it's maybe a lame and unjustified way to make Bocca less unbeatable, but after thinking about it a bit, the real crime there is more that it runs the risk of making Bocca's defeat look much more lame and unjustified than it is? Because really, Gavv's last-minute miracle power-up could be totally excised from the script, and I don't think the actual structure of the fight would have to change all that much, beyond finding a different way for the Riders to distract Bocca. The whole key to that battle does end up being Lango swooping in to run Bocca through with that enormous sword of his, and all that stuff is great! The fundamental thrill of that unholy alliance in the face of such a huge threat; how Nyelv's more genuine offer to cooperate helps provide a logical foundation for the Riders to go along with it; how rather than *only* Shouma saving the day, it's very much the four of them working together right to the spectacular triple Rider Kick finish. In spite of how negative I started off here, the episode viewed as a whole actually really satisfied me with just about everything it did outside of that one thing I'm not sure I like. In particular, it's an episode that does a great job highlighting how great these three Riders are as an ensemble. I absolutely see that precise thoughtfulness I love from this show in the scenes here of them discussing their next move, or in how they each get their own specific cool and heroic thing to say to Bocca before transforming. They're great as a collective unit, and they're great as unique individuals, and the show manages to nicely highlight both those aspects at the same time. So yeah, even accounting for any potential missteps in it, I thought this was a strong outing from Gavv, absolutely keeping the momentum going into the final two episodes. After all, this one also has that extremely funny fourth wall break from Lakia. Between the humorously astute observation about Sachika's overall disposition and how much the way it's shot tells you this was a Nakazawa episode, any points I might want to take away from this episode are all made right back up by that gag alone.
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According to the official blog, the AmazinGummy Gozhizo can only be created when Shouma's determination and emotion are at its peak.
With that being said, while the form is able to nullify Bocca's atmosphere manipulation and does damage to the president, I still feel Bocca has an overall advantage if they're fighting one on one. Now that the strongest villain of the show is dead, I wonder does Lango have any ace under his sleeve to be a threat to our heroes (specifically Shouma if he has access to Over/Master form). Last edited by Eclipyon; 08-17-2025 at 07:07 PM.. |
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Mighty Morphin
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I'm rather ambivalent towards this episode. It had some nice moments, Hanto apologizing for realizing that Nyelv was actually being honest, Shouma eating stones alongside the gummies to create the new Gochizo, and the fight scene in general were all nice.
But there was just so much that didn't quite work. I didn't like that Lango just disappeared for 3/4 of the fight, I guess it made the backstab more effective, but still. Also Lango betraying Shouma, when he's well aware Shouma wins that 1v1 (I guess he's banking on his exhaustion). I also don't really like AmazinGummy's addition. I like it's design more than Over and Master, but it's shoehorned in and really feels just out of nowhere. It's a one time Gochizo, so it seems he'll have to eat some more if he wants to use it against Lango. Lizel and Jeep were also present.
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Extra final form debut.
So, they acknowledge that Nyelv isn't backstabbing Shoma due to Nyelv's declaration to Bocca, with Hanto apologizing to Shoma for not having faith in him before. However, it is obvious that Shoma understands why working with Nyelv doesn't sit well with Hanto. By this, it seems that Shoma is more open to consulting with the other Riders about working with Lango. Turns out Lango doesn't die due to Bocca. unlike Nyelv, and he'd be the likely final boss. I doubt about Lango wanting to stop using humans as spices, unlike Nyelv who can tolerate them, when he claims to agree to stop Stomach Inc.'s Dark Treats production, as I don't know what'd be the alternative for Lango to rule over the Granute World other than Dark Treats, unlike Nyelv who is ok with a human leading Stomach Inc. So he'd be the one who backstabs the cast after their mutual goal is reached (also literally backstabbing Bocca to end him), likely the difference to Nyelv. It's the villains who are at stake now, where Lizel is the damsel in distress held hostage by Lango to lure Bocca. Lizel isn't a non-fighter girl, so dunno if Lizel isn't on Lango's level fighting wise. Jeebh seems to think Lizel genuinely loves and supports him, which he conveys to Shita's spirit, and he tries to help Lizel as much as he can by freeing her. I wonder if only two last episodes would be enough to conclude their story, with only Bocca being gone now. Even with all the final forms with Lango ganging up on Bocca, Bocca still defeats them easily. Vram A La Mode can't really stand up to Bocca's attacks too when directly fighting him. AmazinGummy seems to be a homage to Kuuga Amazing Mighty. AmazinGummy's powers is about being hot enough to harm Bocca, and Bocca's still able to hurt him. I wonder how Lango can be a top threat again, what can turn him into something on par with Master/Over or even AmazinGummy. So Sachika views fighting Granutes as too dangerous, as she told Masaru (who doesn't know that these 3 are Riders), and she'd rather stay on the sidelines with the three Riders handling the fighting, other than her confronting monsters. That'd be the answer for her being a Rider speculations. Guess they addressed Sachika being a happy person here which confuses Rakia when he frees her, if she's back to normal or not.
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My favorite part of the entire episode was the one on one with Sachika and Rakia. It's the bookend on their dynamic I wanted to see.
As final forms go, AmazinGummy is really the squishiest, pun intended. So he gets the ability to melt candy...or in this case Bocca. It seriously doesn't feel like a final form. Especially when they had to go for the full assist from Rakia and Hanto to get those shots in. And I agree, Bocca was way too overconfident in his capabilities. Dude has a whole army. But sure, one on one because we needed that trope. I have a sneaking suspicion that Lizel will suddenly be the one that is weak because of her father's death and Jeebh becomes the strong one in that relationship, takes over, and completely reverses that power dynamic. We'll see. The catch will be if Jeebh decides that having that as power is truly worth more than revenge against Shouma.
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Really love the henshin how Shouma got his AmazingGummy form. The fight itself was good teamwork. Like how the flames power down Bocca and he burn in the fight. Might be my favorite episode in Gavv so much intense action. Next we see Vram episode focus.
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