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Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Pakistan
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I like how Gavv has to resort to using all his previous forms in the final fight. Even if Lango is kind of a dumb enemy.
So that was the end of Gavv. Not bad, could have been better, was enjoyable no doubt. The main cast carried the series. Now let's see how Zeztz carries on.
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Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 871
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Well, Recaps are a thing in Toku, so no. Very unfinished rushed feel to this unsatisfactory ending. Kinda emotionally unattached ending leaving me feeling empty about it. Because I DETESTED WITH A PASSION I KEPT MOSTLY TO MYSELF the Candy theme, I found it very SILLY/childish/juvenile/just plain “Not Cool Looking enough for me” aesthetic, I don’t think it’s worth rewatching.
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#13 |
Mighty Morphin
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Za Warudo
Posts: 25,464
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I wish the final impact between Lango and Gavv had more impact. That part of the fight wasn't satisfying. Just boom, and then poof, Lango is feathers.
While I would've liked a confrontation between Masaru and Shouma about his sister, I do also like that Masaru is willing to wait for Shouma to be comfortable about telling him that truth, and that him piecing it together was enough for me. One thing I do wish we returned to was the family the Wolf Granute was helping. Would've been nice to see how they're doing since he was basically keeping them afloat all this time.
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,557
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While I've overall enjoyed Gavv quite a lot, this episode was a quiet letdown. More than anything, it felt like our showrunners'd had enough content for 1.5 episodes, and this episode was the .5. The previous episode did almost all of the interesting stuff.
The passing-of-the-baton-to-the-next-Rider just... winked too hard, I guess? I was reminded that this is, fundamentally, a show aimed at children. The final Rakia scene underscored this: I suspect that this was added at the last minute because Rakia's death, with the rest of the cast never knowing what happened to him, would have been too sad. "I'm not lonely because I have a hero-powerup parfait to keep me company" is a *deeply* weird note to hit. The most interesting moment of the episode, for me, was the moment when Hanto offered a nonviolent ending to Liselle and Jeebh, and Jeebh *almost* went for it. Jeebh has struck me for a while as one of the show's unfulfilled creative intentions: it's felt like they'd intended to do something interesting with him, but never quite decided on what. The internal logic of our heroes just leaving Liselle running around in the human world is... not apparent to me, beyond the showrunners thinking "maybe we'll tap her for spin-off stories." We'd established that she's master-villain powerful, she enjoys other people's misery above all else, she's utterly callous to human death, and I always suspected she'd kill Jeebh if he ever seemed entirely happy. Heck, they were hinting in that direction just a couple of episodes ago. Instead, Jeebh sacrifices his life to save her, and I guess that works in an anime-story-beat sense, except their relationship was super-unhealthy. As to Masaru, I guess the showrunners figured out a little too late that the "hey, turns out I'm your half-monster nephew, and by the way, your missing sister was turned into MSG for addictive monster candy" was too awkward a conversation to air, probably because of the many very uncomfortable questions it raised, and what kind of monster is going to ask actors to try to make that conversation work on-screen? The final fight scenes continued to be pretty inventive, but the gimmick for the Gavv-Lango battle was iffy: it was fun at first, but the weakest form being the one to defeat the final villain defied all genre logic. We're not given a reason for why Gavv, in Poppin' Gummy form, could defeat Lango when all his prior powerups, *including the one that had "killed" Lango before* failed, beyond "I've got relationships to protect, and you don't" with a side order of "Hey, the base Rider design was pretty cool-looking, wasn't it?" So here's the end of the show's intentions. They never got around to doing anything interesting with the two broken halves of Hanto's master, or what that could imply for a different broken, hito-pressed character. We never learned how Lango survived his previous defeat, although we did at least learn that the showrunners would continue updating depiction of the villains during the show's closing through the penultimate episode. Still, I enjoyed Gavv for 49.5 episodes, and the last episode serving as, IMO, a relatively weak denouement only sours it a little. It was a fun (and remarkably dark) ride, and the snack-themed suits were charming in a Gaim sort of way. Next week, we'll see whether Zeztz will be as much fun. |
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The Immortal King Tasty
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Every diner you've ever been to.
Posts: 4,022
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![]() I can't imagine a conclusion much better for Gavv, honestly. There are things that come to mind I would've liked to have seen, for sure. An easy one is that, while Fujita's action direction during that amusement park fight had so many wonderful ideas back-to-back with a density befitting a finale, the actual images are frequently less dynamic than they probably would've been with Sugihara there to take it even further. That's the big complaint I expected to have going in, and on that particular point, the episode performed merely to my expectations. In so many other ways, though, it did exactly what I want from a finale, by surprising me with things that far exceeded my expectations. I was ready to be content simply with PoppinGummy returning one last time, but I was delighted to get a full-on showcase of every Gavv form (that wasn't a seasonal thing), constructed specifically to go in reverse order of how they were introduced (barring Over Mode flipping back to Master), counting down to the suit that started it all. That's a concept that feels traditionally *big*, but I also think what truly made this finale shine was how it doesn't really need to be big at all, because its strongest moments are often smaller and more quiet. Great as the action was, and as nicely written and performed as the dialogue between Shouma and Lango is (and there are some *real* nice nuances in those exchanges), the simple visual of Shouma leaving behind that pack of candy is maybe the most powerful bit of storytelling in the whole episode. There's room in there for every viewer to read into it a little differently and have it all be valid, but it strikes me as Shouma basically wishing his older brother happiness in the next life. In the end, there's no proper reconciliation; Shouma Stomach ends the series as the last remnant of his father's lineage -- the only one who managed to truly escape that cycle of sorrow. From early on, I felt the series did a good job playing up the inherent duality of Shouma's bubbly personality and the more somber tone he occasionally has in-costume, forced to protect the happiness of humanity by taking the lives of people who are just as much his own kind. So I also see that moment after the fight here as Shouma's way of resolving to cleanse himself of that lifestyle, now that the threat has ended, connecting to the very final scene of the show, which suggests a Kamen Rider who now rides off to help even the monsters he once fought against. And that's pretty beautiful, right? It's very true to the show's spirit, and it demonstrates so much growth for the characters. It's how I feel about pretty much everything else going on here, too. Jiip's sendoff isn't like anything I would've asked for myself, but he finds a sense of clarity that makes his whole journey feel meaningful. Having Valen up against a duo of characters who currently are or have previously been out for revenge creates a strong parallel, just like the Gavv/Lango fight does, and having Hanto finding himself wishing he could show those Granute opponents mercy pays off his whole year of development just as well. Vram got his last fight scene in last time, but Lakia similarly gets to reaffirm all that he's learned in a way that's sad without being the outright tragedy the show could've chosen if it had been so inclined. Even Masaru gets to recognize the truth of his connection to Shouma, and decide on his own terms how to let that affect their relationship, which, true to his character, turns out to be very similar to how Shouma decided to handle it. Despite being a finale, the vibe of it ends up being more just that life goes on, rather than being a definitive last page where everything is neatly wrapped up forever. There's a sense all these people will continue to grow and change, whether that's in a post-series film we get to see, or in a place we can only imagine ourselves. I couldn't imagine Gavv actually ending, and as it turns out, I didn't really need to. This is still a highly satisfying resolution, but from a slightly different angle than usual. In terms of plot and character development, it feels almost like we could just move on to a new chapter next week if we really wanted to -- I'm sure Bandai could keep selling Gochizo for another full year -- but in terms of the sorts of broader questions the show was asking, it certainly feels like we've got our answers at this point. -- ![]() I'd imagine the feathers left a greater impact on me than on most people? Totally justified Morota being the director for Gavv's finale to me. It's a trick of his I've liked since Gaim, that I've loved since it was such a prominent motif in Ghost. And now that it's in Gavv too, I'll love it that much more. I've frequently described Saber as a Kamen Rider show that's must've been made by me, but Gavv feels more like a show I'd say must've been made for me. A lot of decisions it made are not ones I would've thought to, but those decisions, nearly *every* decision it made, resulted in a show that, in its totality, was tailored perfectly to my tastes on a level that not many Rider shows can claim. I believe Gavv to be a pretty special show in general -- one plenty of people are going to look back on in retrospect after some time and realize all over again how good they had it for a year -- but it's special to me in a way that's probably, well, special to me. Whether or not I've managed to convey any of that in an interesting fashion writing about it for a year, I'm not sure. But I am glad I made that choice to try and put it into words, and I'm glad I managed to stick to that choice all this time. Hopefully, I made at least a couple good observations somewhere in there that were fun to read, but for my own sake, I'm simply grateful I got to be so immersed in Gavv throughout its run. Not just having fun watching it, and not just writing the posts, but all the parts in the middle that I've never had the room to mention until now, because until now, I've never done a post about Gavv that's double the servings. I was watching each episode twice, that second time actually being with fansubs for the first time in a while. I was thinking about each episode so much harder, not just from that, and not just from the writing, but even from things like how I'd think about the visuals of an episode a bit more in the process of picking a screencap. I had a whole secret rule for that part (only broken for this final summary) that every one would feature a transformed Rider, something I decided on after the second episode's picture, figuring it would be a neat challenge to try and find something in the action that also conveyed the story... or at least something that looked nice enough as a still image, failing that. (Assuming I even managed that much consistently!) That's all probably rather excessive, but I knew right away I wanted to savor the experience of Gavv as much as possible, and I feel pretty confident that I did exactly that. I'll no doubt continue to savor it, whether in my memory or just by going back to watch it all over again, but right here and now, in the moment, I felt it was important to do all that I could to recognize what a big deal Gavv is to me. It's a show that manages to encompass simultaneously all of the most fundamental things that makes Kamen Rider appeal to me, from across all its different eras, while also making room for so many smaller treats recalling more specific things I've loved throughout the franchise's history, all while adding its own unique sensibilities to contribute something new to that tapestry. So at the end of the day, the only thing I can think to say that sums up Kamen Rider Gavv -- perhaps the smartest observation I can make about it -- is still the very same one I started with. When I think of Kamen Rider, I'm generally thinking of a show like this.
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