Kamen Rider OOO vs Spider-Man

henshinzero · 08-03-2014, 03:03 PM

What about the character from them?

Like with Peter "With great power, comes great responsibility"

With Eiji "With great power, comes great desire"?

KamenRiderOOO · 08-03-2014, 03:07 PM

Okay, this came into my head. We know Eiji doesn't go straight on full color combo when he enters, but we do know he does at time goes into RANDOM COMBOS. So who's to say he doesn't have Cheetah as his legs and runs to a distance where he can switch into full combo?

Aoi Kurenai · 08-03-2014, 03:26 PM

If Spider-Man gets the chance to toss his web shooters on, then why doesn't Eiji get the chance to transform?

KRX · 08-03-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Aoi Kurenai

If Spider-Man gets the chance to toss his web shooters on, then why doesn't Eiji get the chance to transform?

Eiji gets a chance to transform. Spidey's just too fast for him.

In the amount of time it takes Eiji to transform, Spidey'd have already strapped on his webshooters. He has been known to use them as Peter Parker—as evident in The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. II, Issue 697—so he wouldn't be too concerned with completely changing into costume (which only requires him to strip off his civilian clothes and put on a mask and gloves), assuming he was at all concerned with preserving his identity.

Even if Eiji managed to transform, Spidey's not stupid. He's experienced enough to figure out after at least one Combo Change that the Core Medals are key to Eiji's powers. By stripping them away from him, Eiji would be stuck in one form. As powerful as it might be, Spidey is a seasoned combatant. His abilities and skill are enough to allow him to win.

Aoi Kurenai · 08-03-2014, 03:42 PM

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As powerful as it might be, Spidey is a seasoned combatant. His abilities and skill are enough to allow him to win.

The same could be said of Eiji as well. It depends on which point in time they're fighting against each other. It's not really fair to have a seasoned Spider-Man duke it out with Eiji who, at most, has about a year to really get into the swing of things.

Also, I imagine if worse comes to worst, the dinosaur Medals could zombiefy Eiji and force a transformation once again. I'm not sure that's something you can stop with just trying to web them away.

Matrixbeast · 08-03-2014, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Aoi Kurenai

The same could be said of Eiji as well. It depends on which point in time they're fighting against each other. It's not really fair to have a seasoned Spider-Man duke it out with Eiji who, at most, has about a year to really get into the swing of things.

Also, I imagine if worse comes to worst, the dinosaur Medals could zombiefy Eiji and force a transformation once again. I'm not sure that's something you can stop with just trying to web them away.

Not really. You can't just arbitrarily add years to Eiji's experience or remove them from Spidey.
Fact of the matter is that Spidey has been at it for decades, has genius level intellect, super strength and speed, and everything Eiji does Spidey has faced before, how could Spidey possibly lose?

Oh, and Dinosaur medals don't exist anymore.

KRX · 08-03-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aoi Kurenai

The same could be said of Eiji as well. It depends on which point in time they're fighting against each other. It's not really fair to have a seasoned Spider-Man duke it out with Eiji who, at most, has about a year to really get into the swing of things.

Also, I imagine if worse comes to worst, the dinosaur Medals could zombiefy Eiji and force a transformation once again. I'm not sure that's something you can stop with just trying to web them away.

I'm assuming that they're fighting at where they are right now. Spidey's been active for 13 years with a history that has, up until this point, been identical to that of the 616 Spidey. Eiji's history is identical to that of the mainstream Eiji from the show up through Heisei Rider vs. Showa Rider: Kamen Rider Taisen feat. Super Sentai.

While PuToTyra would prove to be a challenge, Spidey isn't a slouch, either. He's taken on the Juggernaut, who is supposed to be unstoppable; the Lizard, who is incredibly powerful; Doctor Octopus, who has raw power and the mind to guide it; Norman Osborn, who's got a bigger bag of tricks than Eiji; the Hulk, one of the most powerful beings in fiction; Venom, who has all of Spidey's powers and is undetectable by his Spider-Sense; Carnage, who has all of Venom's powers and none of his inhibitions; and Wolverine, who is nigh unkillable; and beat them all at least once. PuToTyra is basically a mix between the Lizard and the Juggernaut, so I have no concerns of Spidey not being able to outwit him.

If it's a battle of them at the peak of their powers, it's Eiji's GataKiriBa clones in all of Eiji's combos versus Cosmic Spider-Man. I think it's safe to say that Cosmic Spidey wins.

If it's a battle of them at the beginning of their superheroic careers, Eiji might win with his greater powers. Even then, he only had access to TaToBa and TakaKiriBa. Spidey could easily web Eiji up into a cocoon.

KamenRiderOOO · 08-03-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KRX

While PuToTyra would prove to be a challenge, Spidey isn't a slouch, either. He's taken on the Juggernaut, who is supposed to be unstoppable; the Lizard, who is incredibly powerful; Doctor Octopus, who has raw power and the mind to guide it; Norman Osborn, who's got a bigger bag of tricks than Eiji; the Hulk, one of the most powerful beings in fiction; Venom, who has all of Spidey's powers and is undetectable by his Spider-Sense; Carnage, who has all of Venom's powers and none of his inhibitions; and Wolverine, who is nigh unkillable; and beat them all at least once. PuToTyra is basically a mix between the Lizard and the Juggernaut, so I have no concerns of Spidey not being able to outwit him.

Even with PuToTyra's raw brutality, it's shown that when he's in that state, he doesn't hold back at all. Flight, the Wind Stingers in his shoulders, the Tail Divider. And then there's his elemental ability. I don't recall but has Spiderman ever been frozen?

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If it's a battle of them at the beginning of their superheroic careers, Eiji might win with his greater powers. Even then, he only had access to TaToBa and TakaKiriBa. Spidey could easily web Eiji up into a cocoon.

Web up in a cocoon? Even then, Tora claws, Kamakiri Swords. Whose to say he doesn't just slice his way through? If they can cut through stone and metal, I'm sure there's no difficulty in getting out of Spidey's web. Even if a third/two thirds of him are based off insects

Aoi Kurenai · 08-03-2014, 04:33 PM

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Not really. You can't just arbitrarily add years to Eiji's experience or remove them from Spidey.
Fact of the matter is that Spidey has been at it for decades, has genius level intellect, super strength and speed, and everything Eiji does Spidey has faced before, how could Spidey possibly lose?

Oh, and Dinosaur medals don't exist anymore.

It's not really being arbitrary since there were never any rules saying at which point in their careers they're fighting each other, you can assume it's whatever the most current incarnation is but that's not necessarily the case.

KRX did a good outline of it all - if you have current Spider-Man against current Eiji, Spider-Man wins, definitely. For the sake of argument though, I think it's a more fair fight if you take them from the same point in their respective careers. (Otherwise, Riders just seem to keep growing stronger. At one point, Rider 1 survives an atomic bomb being dropped on him, but that's thanks to multiple upgrades he's gotten at various points.)

Eiji at say...6 months of being OOO is a very strong fighter, but still not a fantastically strategic one. Peter at that point is growing stronger, but his intellect definitely makes up for his his superhero growing pains.

KRX · 08-03-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

Even with PuToTyra's raw brutality, it's shown that when he's in that state, he doesn't hold back at all. Flight, the Wind Stingers in his shoulders, the Tail Divider. And then there's his elemental ability. I don't recall but has Spiderman ever been frozen?

Yes. Yes, he has.

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Web up in a cocoon? Even then, Tora claws, Kamakiri Swords. Whose to say he doesn't just slice his way through? If they can cut through stone and metal, I'm sure there's no difficulty in getting out of Spidey's web. Even if a third/two thirds of him are based off insects

The thing about slicing is that he needs to be able to move. Not only is Spider-Man's webbing strong enough to hold literal tons of falling debris, but it is sticky and difficult to move around in. It would take Eiji a while to get out of it. Meanwhile, Spidey leaves a note for the police and makes it home in time for dinner.

Besides, Spidey can also web up Eiji's hands so that he can't use them. This is a guy who fought Wolverine, after all.

08-03-2014, 03:07 PM	#32
KamenRiderOOO Resident Customizer The Guy with the Voices @TrueKROOO Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 11,089	Okay, this came into my head. We know Eiji doesn't go straight on full color combo when he enters, but we do know he does at time goes into RANDOM COMBOS. So who's to say he doesn't have Cheetah as his legs and runs to a distance where he can switch into full combo? __________________ My signature disappeared. Help.

08-03-2014, 03:39 PM	#34
KRX Mild-Mannered Reporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Everywhere and nowhere, according to String Theory. Posts: 5,462	Quote: Originally Posted by Aoi Kurenai If Spider-Man gets the chance to toss his web shooters on, then why doesn't Eiji get the chance to transform? Eiji gets a chance to transform. Spidey's just too fast for him. In the amount of time it takes Eiji to transform, Spidey'd have already strapped on his webshooters. He has been known to use them as Peter Parker—as evident in The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. II, Issue 697—so he wouldn't be too concerned with completely changing into costume (which only requires him to strip off his civilian clothes and put on a mask and gloves), assuming he was at all concerned with preserving his identity. Even if Eiji managed to transform, Spidey's not stupid. He's experienced enough to figure out after at least one Combo Change that the Core Medals are key to Eiji's powers. By stripping them away from him, Eiji would be stuck in one form. As powerful as it might be, Spidey is a seasoned combatant. His abilities and skill are enough to allow him to win. __________________ \|Tumblr\|Twitter\|Pinterest\|

08-03-2014, 03:48 PM	#36
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,457	Quote: Originally Posted by Aoi Kurenai The same could be said of Eiji as well. It depends on which point in time they're fighting against each other. It's not really fair to have a seasoned Spider-Man duke it out with Eiji who, at most, has about a year to really get into the swing of things. Also, I imagine if worse comes to worst, the dinosaur Medals could zombiefy Eiji and force a transformation once again. I'm not sure that's something you can stop with just trying to web them away. Not really. You can't just arbitrarily add years to Eiji's experience or remove them from Spidey. Fact of the matter is that Spidey has been at it for decades, has genius level intellect, super strength and speed, and everything Eiji does Spidey has faced before, how could Spidey possibly lose? Oh, and Dinosaur medals don't exist anymore. __________________

08-03-2014, 04:02 PM	#37
KRX Mild-Mannered Reporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Everywhere and nowhere, according to String Theory. Posts: 5,462	Quote: Originally Posted by Aoi Kurenai The same could be said of Eiji as well. It depends on which point in time they're fighting against each other. It's not really fair to have a seasoned Spider-Man duke it out with Eiji who, at most, has about a year to really get into the swing of things. Also, I imagine if worse comes to worst, the dinosaur Medals could zombiefy Eiji and force a transformation once again. I'm not sure that's something you can stop with just trying to web them away. I'm assuming that they're fighting at where they are right now. Spidey's been active for 13 years with a history that has, up until this point, been identical to that of the 616 Spidey. Eiji's history is identical to that of the mainstream Eiji from the show up through Heisei Rider vs. Showa Rider: Kamen Rider Taisen feat. Super Sentai. While PuToTyra would prove to be a challenge, Spidey isn't a slouch, either. He's taken on the Juggernaut, who is supposed to be unstoppable; the Lizard, who is incredibly powerful; Doctor Octopus, who has raw power and the mind to guide it; Norman Osborn, who's got a bigger bag of tricks than Eiji; the Hulk, one of the most powerful beings in fiction; Venom, who has all of Spidey's powers and is undetectable by his Spider-Sense; Carnage, who has all of Venom's powers and none of his inhibitions; and Wolverine, who is nigh unkillable; and beat them all at least once. PuToTyra is basically a mix between the Lizard and the Juggernaut, so I have no concerns of Spidey not being able to outwit him. If it's a battle of them at the peak of their powers, it's Eiji's GataKiriBa clones in all of Eiji's combos versus Cosmic Spider-Man. I think it's safe to say that Cosmic Spidey wins. If it's a battle of them at the beginning of their superheroic careers, Eiji might win with his greater powers. Even then, he only had access to TaToBa and TakaKiriBa. Spidey could easily web Eiji up into a cocoon. __________________ \|Tumblr\|Twitter\|Pinterest\|

08-03-2014, 04:17 PM	#38
KamenRiderOOO Resident Customizer The Guy with the Voices @TrueKROOO Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 11,089	Quote: Originally Posted by KRX While PuToTyra would prove to be a challenge, Spidey isn't a slouch, either. He's taken on the Juggernaut, who is supposed to be unstoppable; the Lizard, who is incredibly powerful; Doctor Octopus, who has raw power and the mind to guide it; Norman Osborn, who's got a bigger bag of tricks than Eiji; the Hulk, one of the most powerful beings in fiction; Venom, who has all of Spidey's powers and is undetectable by his Spider-Sense; Carnage, who has all of Venom's powers and none of his inhibitions; and Wolverine, who is nigh unkillable; and beat them all at least once. PuToTyra is basically a mix between the Lizard and the Juggernaut, so I have no concerns of Spidey not being able to outwit him. Even with PuToTyra's raw brutality, it's shown that when he's in that state, he doesn't hold back at all. Flight, the Wind Stingers in his shoulders, the Tail Divider. And then there's his elemental ability. I don't recall but has Spiderman ever been frozen? Quote: If it's a battle of them at the beginning of their superheroic careers, Eiji might win with his greater powers. Even then, he only had access to TaToBa and TakaKiriBa. Spidey could easily web Eiji up into a cocoon. Web up in a cocoon? Even then, Tora claws, Kamakiri Swords. Whose to say he doesn't just slice his way through? If they can cut through stone and metal, I'm sure there's no difficulty in getting out of Spidey's web. Even if a third/two thirds of him are based off insects __________________ My signature disappeared. Help.