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09-16-2018, 11:44 PM | #11 |
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I'm really not feeling it. The lead is rather uninteresting, and the plots are just head scratching.
Eh, I'll stick with it, though.
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09-17-2018, 03:02 AM | #12 |
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i be honest
i hate these ,5 episode thing i rather have the information in the actual episodes than this or atleast give us this kinda info in begining before the episode start kinda like preview in build is this gonna be decade 2,0? Last edited by MagnaFisto; 09-17-2018 at 03:06 AM.. |
09-17-2018, 06:07 AM | #13 |
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Is it bad that I think Horo is cuter than Tsukiyomi and wish the casting had been swapped?
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09-17-2018, 07:02 AM | #14 |
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The show is not captivating enough. It doesn't know if it want to do tribute and fan service or just really trying to balance its own plot unlike decade. I'm still offended by the logic and the way it handle the veteran /toku alumi storyline. It's not as worst as taisen retcon. Ohma zio and the 19 Heisei riders need more foreshadowing. At least explain how Geiz is in possession of 2 ride watches and tsukiyomi is in possession of the 555 phone. Not to mention time machine is everywhere in the future. Isn't it a time paradox if woz, time jackers, and the two allies is what created ohma zio. Continuity is a mess with shows like these like how would they incorporate 555. They ended his stories in taisen and kr4 specials.
It would be with kaixa. He's a villain, but I guess bts the actor is quite good friends with 555. Usually, newer actors or less famous actors that enjoy the toku experience have no problem doing more toku or reprising their roles even if its just ADR recording. 555 and kaixa recorded their own cover of their themesong too. For 555, I always thought kiba (rip) or the laundry guy was the real BFF to him. It hurts too hard to nitpick,get trigger, and over think the logic and trying to make sense out of it. The cast isn't that appealing. Hope it won't tank like megaforce or decade. Seriously, build wasn't that long ago and they mess it up. |
09-17-2018, 08:18 AM | #15 |
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The episode was fun.
The 3.5 was great. The complimentary episodes are a nice touch. Nothing they say is missing from the episode either. And I like the fourth wall breaks in them. They're more like a comedic behind the scenes thing filling in some aspects on different choices, or 'in case you missed' it elements, while also poking fun at itself. Love the book theme too, and it was fun seeing the game code in German and how that ties into medical history. Overall really liking how this show is developing out and building the characters. Tsukuyomi is really growing on me too. So far she's my fave out of the trio, but Sougo has been kind of interesting in seeing how his growth is going to take him in different directions as the show progresses. Quote:
It's not a paradox if they created Zi-o, that's the pre-destiny loop time travel theory. Where time travel can't create a paradox because the events time traveling changes are what made those events happen. It's the immutable time type loop. All events happened as they were supposed to happen because of the time traveling that set them in motion. Breaking that loop is what sets the difference to diverge the timeline out of the loop. Agents of SHIELD did a whole thing on this, as has Doctor Who. In the AOS instance, they had to go through the loop once to change the loop on the second go around(what we the viewer saw was the second loop). So for the loop to exist to get changed, it has to have happened at least once. Which is similar to what's happening here. The loop has already happened once which is what made Oma Zi-o, so now the loop can be changed creating an alternate diverging timeline. This is the story. If the loop will diverge and how to create the new timeline. But as always, refer back to the 2.5 three rules. Rule 3 is the most important. Don't overthink it. Enjoy the ride. Last edited by Librarian; 09-17-2018 at 08:34 AM.. |
09-17-2018, 08:56 AM | #16 |
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The show is not captivating enough. It doesn't know if it want to do tribute and fan service or just really trying to balance its own plot unlike decade. I'm still offended by the logic and the way it handle the veteran /toku alumi storyline. It's not as worst as taisen retcon. Ohma zio and the 19 Heisei riders need more foreshadowing. At least explain how Geiz is in possession of 2 ride watches and tsukiyomi is in possession of the 555 phone. Not to mention time machine is everywhere in the future. Isn't it a time paradox if woz, time jackers, and the two allies is what created ohma zio. Continuity is a mess with shows like these like how would they incorporate 555. They ended his stories in taisen and kr4 specials.
It would be with kaixa. He's a villain, but I guess bts the actor is quite good friends with 555. Usually, newer actors or less famous actors that enjoy the toku experience have no problem doing more toku or reprising their roles even if its just ADR recording. 555 and kaixa recorded their own cover of their themesong too. For 555, I always thought kiba (rip) or the laundry guy was the real BFF to him. It hurts too hard to nitpick,get trigger, and over think the logic and trying to make sense out of it. The cast isn't that appealing. Hope it won't tank like megaforce or decade. Seriously, build wasn't that long ago and they mess it up. but i agree main character are quite meh i honestly prefer a bit of cockyness or atleast had cool personality/traits for this kind of anniv season |
09-17-2018, 09:21 AM | #17 |
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The supposed "blandness" of Sougo is honestly something that doesn't bother me, because I feel that's suppose to be the point. The juxtaposition of how this seemingly normal and average teenager becomes this demonic overlord in the future. I really hope they don't pull the "Oma Zi-O isn't actually Sougo" twist because I think that would be a cope out and that it would be more interesting seeing Sougo make decisions that lead him closer to being Oma Zi-O.
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09-17-2018, 09:41 AM | #18 |
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The supposed "blandness" of Sougo is honestly something that doesn't bother me, because I feel that's suppose to be the point. The juxtaposition of how this seemingly normal and average teenager becomes this demonic overlord in the future. I really hope they don't pull the "Oma Zi-O isn't actually Sougo" twist because I think that would be a cope out and that it would be more interesting seeing Sougo make decisions that lead him closer to being Oma Zi-O.
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09-17-2018, 10:19 AM | #19 |
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He's supposed to be more average ordinary person. It's part of the entire contrast between his future self and his current self. Going from point A(present day) to point Z(where he ends up), and how that happens. So outside of the main character quirk, he's supposed to be like any random 'normal' student. Someone that'd typically not stand out in a crowd. In this way, that's why his supporting cast is needed to be as odd as they are, so they do the iconic standing out more. Same to the villains. The contrast of their outlandishness to his normality is what makes the innate nature of the show work as a metaphor for a cautionary tale. Same reason he has a more normal supportive positive home life. So he's more or less completely normal with minimal negative influences. It's the life journey that takes him from this to what he becomes that makes the show. And the ego/cockiness is still there, but we see it in other ways. Like the entire 'gameover' montage followed by lecture from Geiz. He has some of the typical rider arrogance, but he lacks the experience behind it as a character. Whereas Faiz/Takumi had years as an Oprhenoch that the Faiz suit let him draw on in plain view, or how Den-O had to be possessed by Imagins for his confidence and bravado. We're seeing this rider as a moderately normal person that's jumping in head first in more than he can handle with bravado, but lacks experience to match to it. It's part of his character growth journey. From average normal teenager, to later fully capable Rider as he gains experience and learns along the way. Which is the poignancy of Geiz's speech at the "game over" montage scene too. He's a novice. An amateur. Essentially the most powerful rider yet, or at least his future self is, but this is ground zero, long before he became any of that, and how he became that. Something that was also highlighted by how Geiz changed forms, and then Zi-O realized he should too. He's following Geiz's lead to learn. Last edited by Librarian; 09-17-2018 at 10:47 AM.. |
09-17-2018, 12:49 PM | #20 |
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Someone said earlier " I hope Oma Zi-O is not another character than Sougo"...
I don't know why, but I expect it to be someone else. As they say " do not overthink it" I think the answers will come by themselves and that some people won't be pleased by how stupid it will be. I've decided to not use my brain too much with Zi-O and I like it so far. I take it as pure fan service. I was beyond pissed that Build got "retconned" by Zi-O, but I'm telling myself that everything will be back to normal at the endgame... |
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