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05-02-2020, 07:40 AM | #691 |
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I made my opinion on Ryuki clear really on (but I’m too lazy to find and quote it). Really, nothing’s changed for me since then. The problems I had were resolved too late for me to actually forgive them. What made it worse was that some of the elements introduced since then (Asakura’s rivalry with Kitaoka, Tojo’s desire to be a hero) were the parts I actually thought were pretty good. (Through there were some I didn’t like that much, such as Odin in general and the continued focus on monster fights)
I do agree that the show had way overestimated how invested we were in Yui. I mean, why should we care for someone who’s barely there when she’s on screen and has no real personal connection to EITHER of our two heroes? In general, I prefer the spin-offs to the actual show. I didn’t think I’d ever find a show I’d rank below Kuuga or the early Neo-Heisei shows (which aren’t on any of my “top” lists), but this was one show I outright hated watching, as opposed to not liking watching it. Thankfully, my experience is almost over and I’ve already got a nice, presumably friendlier show lined up to take its place starting Monday. |
05-02-2020, 07:41 AM | #692 |
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The most amusing thing about the cloud is how big Yui's name gets to be.
And, from what I've heard, you are going to *love* Faiz. An entire series in the Inoue Zone.
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05-02-2020, 07:47 AM | #693 |
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Oh, and the movie tries to make Shinji culpable, with his staying inside being the reason a lonely Yui plays in Mirror World, but it's an absurd moment in the film. That... it's not something that even the most empathetic Rider could feel guilt over. He was a kid! It was raining! He didn't murder Yui by staying in!
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And, man, the Mirror World story is total nonsense. It’s hard to care about any action’s consequences when Shiro could introduce a new stipulation, or change a rule, whenever he felt like it. It’s hard to invest in a contest when the rules are arbitrary. We’re constantly told that there need to be thirteen Riders, but we never see all thirteen on the show. We’re told that there needs to be one Rider left at the end to fight Odin, but Asakura dies after Knight is declared the final fighter. There’s no time limit, then suddenly there’s a time limit. Shiro’s actions could come off as whimsical or mysterious, but it mostly felt to me like the function of plot. He wasn’t a character, he was how the producers interfered in the characters lives.
It's just Shiro's choice to fight only 1 Rider left as Odin, but with Shinji delaying the Rider War to its near deadline, Shiro is forced to change his plans to prematurely fight other Riders as Odin to make sure that all other Riders die before Yui's birthday to gain his wish. Shiro obviously won't reveal about his motives, or especially cheating the game for himself. The time limit is related to those 2, so Shiro won't tell either, until Shinji forced him to. I think you got mistaken here, wasn't the scene of Asakura being shot happened before Knight becomes final Rider (and Odin self-destructing)? Asakura's death scene actually cuts to Odin slashing Knight Survive. Last edited by DreadBringer; 05-02-2020 at 08:32 AM.. |
05-02-2020, 09:51 AM | #694 |
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I always assumed that the additional riders died off-screen. After all, some of them were riders prior to meeting the other characters. And it wouldn't surprise me if some were killed off by the mirror monsters.
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05-02-2020, 11:16 AM | #695 |
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The thing I like the most from that word cloud is that "feel" shows up more often than "think". I prefer that. I'd rather approach a show like this emotionally, how it's making me feel to watch it, than with plot analysis, theories, whatever. Maybe not for everyone, but it's how I'd rather watch Kamen Rider. I'm actually psyched for Faiz! I've heard murmurs that hit's got a... specific tone? All I know is that I read the Wiki synopsis of the premise a couple years ago, when I was trying to understand how this franchise worked, and I did not understand it at all. (I also don't remember much. Aliens?) I remember feeling like I was having a stroke reading the series breakdown, words I recognized up against words that were incomprehensible, forming sentences that were just out of my reach. Should be fun! Quote:
I made my opinion on Ryuki clear really on (but I’m too lazy to find and quote it). Really, nothing’s changed for me since then. The problems I had were resolved too late for me to actually forgive them. What made it worse was that some of the elements introduced since then (Asakura’s rivalry with Kitaoka, Tojo’s desire to be a hero) were the parts I actually thought were pretty good. (Through there were some I didn’t like that much, such as Odin in general and the continued focus on monster fights)
I do agree that the show had way overestimated how invested we were in Yui. I mean, why should we care for someone who’s barely there when she’s on screen and has no real personal connection to EITHER of our two heroes? In general, I prefer the spin-offs to the actual show. I didn’t think I’d ever find a show I’d rank below Kuuga or the early Neo-Heisei shows (which aren’t on any of my “top” lists), but this was one show I outright hated watching, as opposed to not liking watching it. Thankfully, my experience is almost over and I’ve already got a nice, presumably friendlier show lined up to take its place starting Monday. I don't know how I'd rank Ryuki just yet. The characters are so great, but they're trapped in a story that doesn't have any moves to it. (The stakes and premise don't ever really evolve over the course of the series, minus the last two episodes, which is sort-of insane to think about. There are new Riders, and those new characters create interesting stories, but the world they operate in stays fairly static.) I'm sorry you didn't have fun watching it, but thanks again for talking about it! What's your new show on Monday?
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05-02-2020, 11:40 AM | #696 |
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So to sum up you want for her to actually cause a doom and try to atone for it? Probably just the difference of stances (and I have to admit I'm likely pettier in this case). I think I prioritize morality over storytelling for this case. I want Yui to be just as empathetic as Shinji like you said here, where like him, feeling guilt over things like this, so I'd like for her having no actual mistake like Shinji here (unlike in movie). And like Shinji again, I want her decisions being selfess; based off on others and not out of personal (unlike in movie); like Shinji deciding to become a Rider after seeing a girl losing her mother.
And, I get it, her being blameless can make her sacrifice more noble. I just feel like her being an innocent martyr is less interesting, dramatically, than someone who made one weird mistake in childhood and now has to grapple with that as an adult. One's not better than the other, but I prefer the latter. Quote:
To me, those extra faces are meant to imply the breadth of people that could be involved in the Rider Battles, not fill in holes to a story that probably hadn't even been written yet. (I'm not sure how many scripts would've been completed before they shot that intro sequence, but I'd guess no more than a dozen.) Also, what is the fan theory for the lucky cat, the broccoli, and the fish? Quote:
Sure, definitely a possibility. Or maybe some got killed during the series and we never saw it. It's just weird that they couldn't seem to spare a minute to close off that omission. Also, how cool would it have been if we didn't see Asakura for a few episodes, and then he just drops four cracked Card Decks on Kitaoka's desk or something? How great would that have been?
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05-02-2020, 12:45 PM | #697 |
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The show I’m starting is Tokkei Winspector, the 9th Metal Heroes series and the first in the Rescue Heroes trilogy, which is defined by the lack of villainous groups in favour of more regular criminals and emergencies and keeping the gear used by the heroes more grounded (namely, we actually see where it goes when not in use).
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05-02-2020, 12:54 PM | #698 |
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The show I’m starting is Tokkei Winspector, the 9th Metal Heroes series and the first in the Rescue Heroes trilogy, which is defined by the lack of villainous groups in favour of more regular criminals and emergencies and keeping the gear used by the heroes more grounded (namely, we actually see where it goes when not in use).
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05-02-2020, 01:44 PM | #699 |
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I'm actually psyched for Faiz! I've heard murmurs that hit's got a... specific tone? All I know is that I read the Wiki synopsis of the premise a couple years ago, when I was trying to understand how this franchise worked, and I did not understand it at all. (I also don't remember much. Aliens?) I remember feeling like I was having a stroke reading the series breakdown, words I recognized up against words that were incomprehensible, forming sentences that were just out of my reach. Should be fun! Speaking of, I suppose my challenge is to finish Blade before you catch up to me so I at least have relevant stuff to say about that. But anyway, even for series I haven't seen, it's fun reading these!
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05-02-2020, 04:58 PM | #700 |
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I don't know how I'd rank Ryuki just yet. The characters are so great, but they're trapped in a story that doesn't have any moves to it. (The stakes and premise don't ever really evolve over the course of the series, minus the last two episodes, which is sort-of insane to think about. There are new Riders, and those new characters create interesting stories, but the world they operate in stays fairly static.)
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Sure, definitely a possibility. Or maybe some got killed during the series and we never saw it. It's just weird that they couldn't seem to spare a minute to close off that omission. Also, how cool would it have been if we didn't see Asakura for a few episodes, and then he just drops four cracked Card Decks on Kitaoka's desk or something? How great would that have been?
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