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06-30-2020, 06:40 PM | #991 |
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I'm sorry... Cosmic States has to look like that? I'm sorry some designer submitted two options, one beautiful and one purposefully terrible, to get the producers to pick the beautiful one the designer liked, and the producers picked the purposefully-terrible one?
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Seems like an inevitability. Sorry, and I can't wait to see it!
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06-30-2020, 07:37 PM | #992 |
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I'm only at this point in the movie, but:
Literally anyone who ever posts at me that Faiz is a series that's too dark or too serious is going to get that gif as a response.
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06-30-2020, 10:16 PM | #993 |
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KAMEN RIDER 555 MOVIE: PARADISE LOST
--1-- I was wondering if the movie, with its shorter running time, would try and touch on any of the show's themes. And, it does, for sure. The idea of humans and Orphnochs coexisting is the stated premise of the film, the goal of the heroes. The thing I found interesting, though, is that the movie ended up bringing up other ideas that tie into that theme that the show never really explored. It made for a fun experience, a sort-of supplement to the main narrative rather than a condensed version of it. There's a smaller runner about the ways corporations and the media help shape attitudes about various groups, either endorsing coexistence or denouncing it. Smart Brain's power in the story isn't Riotroopers or Emperor Belts, it's the way they reframe the human insurgency as bloodthirsty terrorists, or how they're able to normalize Orphnoch existence. It's something I'd hoped the show would explore, but they never really did. Smart Brain being run by and for Orphnochs became just a trivial detail. We spent more time with Murakami and his crew at Lucky Clover than we saw the scientists at Smart Brain doing much to further their cause. It felt like a missed opportunity in the show, so I'm glad it got some use in the movie. --2-- The bigger thing the film deals with, thematically, is the fears of an in-group. An in-group's irrational fear of accepting an out-group is that the out-group's culture and morality will supplant their own, so the in-group is justified in never giving an inch to the out-group. This film is like a human supremacist's fever dream, with humans left to eke out a subsistence on the edges, while Orphnochs live openly. (Like, if you wanted to tell me that canonically this is all a nightmare Kusaka's having, I'd be into that theory.) It's a concept that... I mean, I guess you need to address it? There's an absurdity to it that keeps it from feeling like an Unless We're Vigilant warning. I kind-of love how the nightmare scenario for humans here is They'll Take Our Jobs. It's... man, they are not subtle with the concept they are satirizing! There's a darkness to it, as an idea. It's maybe not something you want to be seen as tacitly endorsing through metaphor? But it's done so ridiculously that I appreciate them trying it on as a gag. This is a real fear that people have, that outsiders, people different from them, will take their culture from them and leave them as the outsiders. It's a fear that convinces people to demonize outsiders as a form of self-preservation, and it needed to be addressed somewhere in the Faiz narrative. I guess a non-canonical movie was as good a place as any? --3-- So, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but I don't think I'd've assumed that Takumi's reveal as an Orphnoch in the movie was something that'd happen in the show. The whole movie is so bonkers and separate from the show that I'd probably think the Takumi thing was another weird choice in a weird movie. (Murakami is just a head in a jar and no one ever comments on it! Inoue was just like Takumi Has A Ponytail And Murakami Is A Head In A Jar. That was how he wanted to tell this story! It's so weird!) It's important to the climax of the film, and it ties together the main theme of humans and Orphnochs being similarly capable of either heroism or villainy, but it's not something the film spends a ton of time on. I would probably have written it off as some weird-ass 11th-hour Inoue choice. (I mean, that's maybe too dismissive of it. It's integral to Yuuji's story in this that Faiz not just be a human he's friends with, but a fellow Orphnoch who choose to fight for humans. It's not just a random choice. But it's also so close to the end of the film that I don't know if the film needed it as a plot point.) The Yuuji turn here, it avoids the Murakami Junior stuff that bugged me in the series, but... I sort-of hate it? The Oga costume is awesome, and the rage that consumes Yuuji feels a lot more visceral and substantial than what we got in the series. I'll give it that. But, man, having it be because Smart Brain tricks him into thinking Mari betrayed him and got his friends killed? Lame! Lame choice! It moves Yuuji's turn from a moral collapse into an unfortunate misunderstanding, and I hate that so much. In the show, it's Yuuji's decision to do every horrible thing he does. He falls on his own, which makes him picking himself back up feel earned. Here, he's been lied to by the bad guys, and then changes his mind at the last second because he feels bad about it. Like, I can't stress this enough, Yuuji's turn has to be a fully-informed decision or it fundamentally doesn't matter. I get that there's less time in the movie to make that turn work, but, maybe don't do it then? There's a great fight in there with Oga and Faiz (in a Falls Count Anywhere match, which is how you know it's final), but this is all a misunderstanding and it bugged the shit out of me. I get the Misunderstanding tag against Faiz now! It's not great! --4-- Good film, though, besides that. The story's smartly centered on Mari and Takumi's bond. They become friends super fast in the show, so the movie gets a lot of juice from how long it keeps Mari and Takumi apart. Having the story be about how much these two need each other in their lives, I loved that. The series kind-of spent more time with Mari in Kusaka's plots as time went on, so I really liked how integral their early-series bond was to this story. Takumi needs the motivation and encouragement that Mari provides, and Mari needs someone in her life worth rooting for. (That is to say, Kusaka is very very Kusaka in this movie, to hilarious effect. He's cinematically full of himself in this!) Plus, shit, the whole movie is pretty much about Mari. She's a bad-ass revolutionary, she's a party organizer, she's the reason Yuuji falls and the reason he sacrifices himself... she's the star of this one, and she does an amazing job. The new Riders have some awesome suits, too! (Figured I should finally talk about them.) Kamen Rider Oga was a design that took me a minute to get into, but I ended up really liking it. I like the skirt on it. I like the way the horizontal lines on the Omega symbol form the lower part of the face. I liked Kamen Rider Buzz Lightyear's suit better, though. That white and purple! So good! Wasn't crazy about the very rubbery jetpack, but the suit itself was stunning. And that first fight he had, against the mutinous Smart Brain salarymen, very cool! He has a fluidity to his combat that felt unique among the Riders. My favorite of the two new Riders. --5-- Yeah, fun movie. Great to see some old friends again. (My heart, when it was Team Orphnoch teasing Kaido for always saying he's going to break bad when he never ever will!) The post-apocalyptic nature of the movie was probably the best way to tell a story that hit on the themes of the show, leveraged some of the character relationships, but didn't try to rush anything so it lost impact. (Well, the Yuuji stuff, maybe.) I don't know that I cared so much about the Mina/amnesia stuff, but it was relatively brief and I will let Inoue have his melodrama. I don't know if it feels like I've said a lot about this movie? I liked the themes, I love these characters, it was a fun diversion. Seems like it would've been fun to see in a theater? (Tomorrow's going to be some Faiz miscellany I've got in a folder, and we'll see what in there is worth talking about. Thursday is a final wrapup post for this thread. So don't forget to come back!)
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06-30-2020, 10:38 PM | #994 |
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I had a 'Delta is too cool too show up in this movie' ready but if there's a rider worth of memes, it's Psyga. Everything about that guy is absurd. I really liked his last fight with Faiz though, the bit of super-speed vs jetpack and then Takumi cutting through him. Having a giant crowd surrounding the fight definitely adds to the hype. My only complaint is that he needed one more jarring exit line in english...
I do think it probably might have been fine had you watched it earlier, though at the same time, I don't think people in this thread would have been able to keep from spelling out that the 'Takumi is a werewolf' thing happens in the show anyway... Anyhow, glad you liked it for the most part. I think this film more than most Rider movies, feels like a big, special cinematic experience, as opposed to just a longer, higher-budget episode. Episode Final is still more nostalgic to me, but I consider Paradise Lost to be the 'definitive' Rider summer movie, if that makes sense. Is it weird for me to say that it's too bad you still have a little more to look over for Faiz? Because otherwise this thread would be wrapping up with the nice page count of one hundred! I mean, the absolute ideal would be for 555, but can't have everything... |
06-30-2020, 11:05 PM | #995 |
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I had a 'Delta is too cool too show up in this movie' ready but if there's a rider worth of memes, it's Psyga. Everything about that guy is absurd. I really liked his last fight with Faiz though, the bit of super-speed vs jetpack and then Takumi cutting through him. Having a giant crowd surrounding the fight definitely adds to the hype. My only complaint is that he needed one more jarring exit line in english...
Anyway, yeah, he was a pretty fun adversary for the Riders. I thought him speaking English was super weird (just looked him up on the wiki; dude was born in Los Angeles!) because it sounds natural, fluent, but also like no one gave him a line reading? He just, like, says words. I hope he had fun? Quote:
Anyhow, glad you liked it for the most part. I think this film more than most Rider movies, feels like a big, special cinematic experience, as opposed to just a longer, higher-budget episode. Episode Final is still more nostalgic to me, but I consider Paradise Lost to be the 'definitive' Rider summer movie, if that makes sense.
The action was pretty great in this one, though. The fights, across the board, were gigantic and impactful. (Not crazy about the big CG monster at the end, but it wasn't the end of the world.) Kind-of bummed that, after the Ryuki movie crammed in all of Agito in the background, the Faiz movie only has Auntie from Ryuki and a cop from Agito. Boo! Booooo! Quote:
That said, oh dear god I don't think I could talk about Faiz for another 400+ pages. My brain is nearly wrung out of things to say about Faiz. *gestures at Paradise Lost post*
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06-30-2020, 11:18 PM | #996 |
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Anyway, yeah, he was a pretty fun adversary for the Riders. I thought him speaking English was super weird (just looked him up on the wiki; dude was born in Los Angeles!) because it sounds natural, fluent, but also like no one gave him a line reading? He just, like, says words. I hope he had fun?
I really like this film. It's one of my favorites from this era of Rider. My favorite part is definitely the Takumi/Mari dynamic, which skews a lot more romantic here than it did on the show. My favorite part is always how Mari spends the first half hour of the film praising Takumi and wishing he'd come back, then within five minutes of his actual return they're back to the classic sniping at each other that we're so used to from the show. Never change, you two. I also love how Mari decides to hold a masquerade ball right after the shanty town was trashed by Riotroopers and Kusaka got murdered. That is some Mai from Gaim-level lack of situational awareness. This version of Kaido? This is probably my favorite. If you disagree with me then I'm leaving to join Smart Brain. You know, eventually. Just you watch. Any minute now. |
06-30-2020, 11:30 PM | #997 |
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I really like this film. It's one of my favorites from this era of Rider. My favorite part is definitely the Takumi/Mari dynamic, which skews a lot more romantic here than it did on the show. My favorite part is always how Mari spends the first half hour of the film praising Takumi and wishing he'd come back, then within five minutes of his actual return they're back to the classic sniping at each other that we're so used to from the show. Never change, you two.
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1) People definitely needed a party after getting mostly slaughtered by Riotroopers and Psyga. 2) The unsmothered flames lent a romantic air to the party. 3) It was only Kusaka who got murdered, not anyone people cared about. Why should that put a damper on things? 4) She spent so much money on flyers, and it's not like she can just change that date on Facebook. It'd be rude to just let all of those theoretical guests down! Quote:
I think my favorite thing in this series, full-stop, is the way Yuuji says Kaido's name when Kaido is being irrepressible/obnoxious. It's like, "KAIDO". It's like a little hill he climbs, and chases Kaido down. Getting to hear that again, man, made my night.
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07-01-2020, 05:06 AM | #998 |
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But yeah, Paradise Lost is... I mean, personally, the word "good" doesn't cut it for me? I absolutely adore it. It's always been my favorite Rider movie, and even though there's some stiff competition nowadays, it probably always will be. I actually said a whole lot of words about it already! With bonus Double movie review! Which reminds me that I definitely need to do one more of these for the road. Quote:
「オルフェノク全体を憎むのは、おかしいよ」 As usual, a lot of sloppy and occasionally straight up backwards lines abound here, like this one, where Mari is supposed to be saying it's wrong to arbitrarily hate all Orphenochs. She's sticking up for Yuuji in this scene and saying it's okay to trust him. The idea that Orphenochs exist who don't hate humans is not a hypothetical to Mari when she's friends with no less than three of them, all of whom are currently in the room. Something to look forward to with Blade is that Excite! Subs did a completely from-scratch translation of it after they did Ex-Aid, making it one of two whole early Heisei shows to my knowledge (the other being Kuuga, thanks to Shout) that aren't currently stuck with variations on choppy TV-N translations. Excite's version is what I rewatched Blade with, and it comes highly recommended by this translation cop, if you weren't planning to use it already. Natural sounding dialogue in your Rider shows is just one more thing you've earned the right to after all this work! I look forward to your deep thematic analysis of the Faiz Sausage commercial.
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I personally loved this film! I can get that Kiba's turn felt a little forced and contrived, but I think that they had to make some concessions in order to fit the series' plot in a single movie format.
One of the reasons I loved the film so much is that it really is a microcosm of all the good parts of the series. The rather thin plot is trimmed of all the fat, and the new scenario allows the characters to focus on the important stuff, interaction, introspection and the exploration of morality. And of course action. We seriously have everything. Aside from the sad lack of Delta, I do believe we get almost all of their various abilities featured. Some of my favorite standout moments: - The Faiz Gear and Auto Vajin being hidden in junk. - Faiz Axel taking out a crap ton of Riotroopers with the Axel Crimson Smash. - Kamen Rider Psyga being the first(?) English-speaking Rider. - Faiz smoothly tossing aside the Edge, only for Mari to pick it up later. - The fact that this movie held the record for the largest number of extras in a film for quite a long period of time - all of their names appearing in the credits. - The gorgeous aerial shot of the stadium with Faiz Blaster's energy erupting from the sides. |
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And speaking of what you may have missed, the heads of Smart Brain are all voiced by classic villain actors from all of Toei’s big 3; Goro Naya (Kamen Rider), Seizo Kato (Super Sentai) and Shozo Iizuka (Metal Heroes). And so we avoid this “where to watch the movie” business for future threads, I’ll just tell you here. Blade: Episodes 28-31 were followed by (on the first broadcast) four shorts films leading up to the main feature. Hibiki: The episodes functions best as a replacement for episode 33. Kabuto: Now this is a weird one. While it is an AU, it takes place prior to the first episode. I’d recommend around episodes 23-27, since everything in the movie is established by then and they’re advertising the movie in post credits scenes. Den-O: The movie takes place between episodes 27 and 28. Kiva: The movie doesn’t really fit into canon, but it works best between episodes 24 and 27. Decade: Another weird one. While the movie is canon, like Den-O’s, there’s no point where the plot stops long enough to fit it in. TVTropes suggests it takes place after episode 27 (which does include a few Easter eggs foreshadowing the movie) while the KR Wiki says after episode 29 (which is the last episode prior to the finale). Zi-O: The movie is an alternate ending, branching off after episode 43. Last edited by Androzani84; 07-01-2020 at 06:59 AM.. |
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