[Starscreamer]

ummm...wow...redivision of factions...new goals...and new motivations...wow...

[TokuChris]

A powerful episode. One of the best written episodes of any television show, ever, in the world. For serious.

[TheXrosLoaderGen]

I don't know if anyone agrees but, doesn't Kaito have his way of making you like him, but making you hate him so much for being a prick sometimes? Anyone? Just me, okay.

[guncannon109]

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I don't know if anyone agrees but, doesn't Kaito have his way of making you like him, but making you hate him so much for being a prick sometimes? Anyone? Just me, okay.

Kaito in opinion is the prime example of an anti hero. He's a character you love because he's a character you love to hate.

[SPLIT LIP]

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I don't know if anyone agrees but, doesn't Kaito have his way of making you like him, but making you hate him so much for being a prick sometimes? Anyone? Just me, okay.

Not me.

Kaito just pings off me. I have no feelings towards the character either way. I view him in a positive light, but he's easily the least interesting. They've done everything right with him, I just don't find him a character worth mentioning except for when he does stuff like this, and even then it's only what he does, not who he is, that's interesting.

I'd consider him overblown.

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Kaito in opinion is the prime example of an anti hero. He's a character you love because he's a character you love to hate.

That's not an anti-hero.

An anti-hero is a protagonist who's methods and character are the opposite of a typical protagonist. Spawn is an anti-hero. Punisher is an anti-hero. Kaito is not a protagonist, or a hero, so he's not an anti-hero.

If fans had their way, anybody who's not the main character would be labelled an "anti-hero."

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o_o It's true. Though, I still stand-by the idea that the show should have been exclusively about Beast...

As if Wizard wasn't bad enough.

[Shin Henshin]

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That's not an anti-hero.

An anti-hero is a protagonist who's methods and character are the opposite of a typical protagonist. Spawn is an anti-hero. Punisher is an anti-hero. Kaito is not a protagonist, or a hero, so he's not an anti-hero.

If fans had their way, anybody who's not the main character would be labelled an "anti-hero."

But if that's the case then Kaito technically does fit that, though. It's apparent in this episode.

Kouta's the protagonist. He learns the truth behind Helhiem and what it could mean for humanity and what happens? He's hit with conflict and wants to warn everyone in hopes that they will band together in order to stop this as one united people, but is also unsure if doing so will lead to an every man for themselves situation like Takatora warned of.

Kaito learns of Helheim and what's his stance? Survival of the fittest. If someone's too weak to defend themselves from the coming invasion, then they don't deserve to live. As a result, he thinks this invasion would be perfect to weed out and eliminate the weak, only leaving the strong-willed and strong-bodied to fight off Helheim.

Kaito's made it obvious that he doesn't care about fun or unity or any of that. He wants power to avenge the town he used to enjoy living in and doesn't give a damn about who's effected by it. Kaito's drive is personal while Kouta's is more selfless.

[SPLIT LIP]

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But if that's the case then Kaito technically does fit that, though. It's apparent in this episode.

Nope. Not this episode.

Anti-heroes are not evil. Kaito is. He doesn't care if the entire world is destroyed. He's crossed the line of empathy. No sane human alive could possibly agree with his ideals.

"Technically this" or "technically that" doesn't change what's real. He outright turned his back to every person. That's not an anti-hero, that's a villain.

[Hatetriot]

Or Kaito could be enacting one of the worst plans in Toku history next to Kusaka "infiltrating" Lucky Clover.

[Switchblade]

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Or Kaito could be enacting one of the worst plans in Toku history next to Kusaka "infiltrating" Lucky Clover.

That wasn't a plan, it was a requirement for every cast member of Faiz. I think everyone but Mari tried to join Lucky Clover at one point or another, and I'm probably just forgetting the episode where Mari did it, too.

[Captain Marvelous]

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A powerful episode. One of the best written episodes of any television show, ever, in the world. For serious.

Exactly! The plot just keeps getting better and better. I don't ever want this show to end!