Kamen Rider Gaim Episode 18: "Farewell, Beat Riders" Discussion

Shin Henshin · 02-21-2014, 09:42 AM

It's kinda surprising to see so many people say the dancing is pointless when technically it's where all of this kinda started.

Kouta was the first of the Beat Riders to use the Sengoku Driver and what use did he find for it? Fighting in the Inves Games for Team Gaim. It only ended up escalating from there with every other team looking for stronger lockseeds or hoping to get a hold of their own drivers to the point where it became more of an actual war. Add the fact that they were the only ones who had access to the Inves Games, thanks to Yggdrasil, and it only makes sense that the public would turn on them once things got more out of hand.

Saying Mai wants to "save everyone with dance" seems way too broad to say. It's more that she's sick of seeing people aim all their anger towards the Beat Riders, knows that it's effecting all the other teams and thinks the best thing to do to try and start changing the minds of the people is to go back to square one and start doing their group dances to entertain like it was originally and not to battle over popularity.

Switchblade · 02-21-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Shin Henshin

It's kinda surprising to see so many people say the dancing is pointless when technically it's where all of this kinda started.

It wasn't pointless at the start, but the show has moved away from it and into a larger storyline. At this point the dancing is just a holdover from the start of the story.

Den-O · 02-21-2014, 10:45 AM

The dancing was merely a framing device. Something to engage us with the characters at first, just a basic premise. And it served it's purpose, it's too silly to matter while monsters invade from another dimension, and it's time is over.

If they honestly think they can carry something as uniteresting as this on throughout the rest of the series and make it seem important, I think they're fooling themselves.

SPLIT LIP · 02-21-2014, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

It wasn't pointless at the start, but the show has moved away from it and into a larger storyline. At this point the dancing is just a holdover from the start of the story.

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Originally Posted by Den-O

The dancing was merely a framing device. Something to engage us with the characters at first, just a basic premise. And it served it's purpose, it's too silly to matter while monsters invade from another dimension, and it's time is over.

If they honestly think they can carry something as uniteresting as this on throughout the rest of the series and make it seem important, I think they're fooling themselves.

Yup to both.

Nothing really wrong with the dancing, but it represents a naive and immature outlook many characters have since abandoned. It's no longer needed.

Blade Raider · 02-21-2014, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Nothing really wrong with the dancing, but it represents a naive and immature outlook many characters have since abandoned. It's no longer needed.

I disagree. Urobuchi has already said this show is about growing up. This episode was about trying to preserve one's childhood. The Beat Riders are symbolic of the childhood that Kouta, Mai, and especially Micchy are trying to protect. It could even be inferred that Kaito is trying to do the same by quitting Team Baron, thus abandoning his childhood in order to preserve it.

So yes, this episode was important. Important to the underlining message of the show.

uchihabro77 · 02-22-2014, 09:40 PM

The hell did I go a week without watchin this?

I loved this one, the dancing wasn't the best, but what do I know about dancing? Bravo I think is seriously going to be gone soon, Jonouchi with him if he doesn't go back to his team.

KyoryuGreen · 02-23-2014, 04:28 AM

I absolutely loved this episode. I love Zack's story and how he becomes Knuckle. I love Kaito's development and just love Gaim and Bravo too. Micchy is going down a bit of a dark path I think.

I can't wait to see Ryouma fight, I hope the episode gets subbed soon.

MidoGreen · 02-24-2014, 02:42 PM

MISTAAAAAAAAAAAAH KNUCKLEMAN~!

In typical MidoGreen fashion I maybe late to the party but want to talk

. I liked that Kaito stepped down from Team Baron. It shows he realizes he needs to move on to pursue his goals and that he was a burden to his own Team. And entrusting Zack with the team and SENGOKU Driver was good as well. The Beat Riders dance scene was neat, a lot of behind the scenes effort went into getting everyone ready for that. Knunckle's introduction was pretty good. He might have been outclass by the Invess and Bravo, but he didn't give up. Lastly, we have Ryouma showing up as Duke. This should be good fight.

Edit: Also, I found the slapstick between Oren and Jounochi rather amusing

Sentai · 02-25-2014, 11:38 PM

KnuckleBuster is excellent. And yes, that's what I'm calling him. And Oren.. Oren is becoming much more comic relief than an actual threat, but he's good comic relief.

Onward!

Oh, and I don't know what team had the pretty girls all in white.. But I like that team.

ShockerCon · 02-25-2014, 11:51 PM

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Oh, and I don't know what team had the pretty girls all in white.. But I like that team.

You of all people should recognize the Kamen Rider Girls.

02-21-2014, 09:42 AM	#121
Shin Henshin Comin' up OOOs! Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: A place where imports are impossible to find, NY Posts: 2,449	It's kinda surprising to see so many people say the dancing is pointless when technically it's where all of this kinda started. Kouta was the first of the Beat Riders to use the Sengoku Driver and what use did he find for it? Fighting in the Inves Games for Team Gaim. It only ended up escalating from there with every other team looking for stronger lockseeds or hoping to get a hold of their own drivers to the point where it became more of an actual war. Add the fact that they were the only ones who had access to the Inves Games, thanks to Yggdrasil, and it only makes sense that the public would turn on them once things got more out of hand. Saying Mai wants to "save everyone with dance" seems way too broad to say. It's more that she's sick of seeing people aim all their anger towards the Beat Riders, knows that it's effecting all the other teams and thinks the best thing to do to try and start changing the minds of the people is to go back to square one and start doing their group dances to entertain like it was originally and not to battle over popularity. __________________

02-21-2014, 10:45 AM	#123
Den-O Admin AKA Zordon Content Director @DenO_TokuNation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 16,328	The dancing was merely a framing device. Something to engage us with the characters at first, just a basic premise. And it served it's purpose, it's too silly to matter while monsters invade from another dimension, and it's time is over. If they honestly think they can carry something as uniteresting as this on throughout the rest of the series and make it seem important, I think they're fooling themselves. __________________

02-21-2014, 01:40 PM	#125
Blade Raider Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,416	Quote: Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP Nothing really wrong with the dancing, but it represents a naive and immature outlook many characters have since abandoned. It's no longer needed. I disagree. Urobuchi has already said this show is about growing up. This episode was about trying to preserve one's childhood. The Beat Riders are symbolic of the childhood that Kouta, Mai, and especially Micchy are trying to protect. It could even be inferred that Kaito is trying to do the same by quitting Team Baron, thus abandoning his childhood in order to preserve it. So yes, this episode was important. Important to the underlining message of the show. __________________ My Customs - Updated 7/15/12. TMNT Customs

02-22-2014, 09:40 PM	#126
uchihabro77 Energon Warrior 3 Red YEEEHAWWWW Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Crockett County, TN Posts: 6,958	The hell did I go a week without watchin this? I loved this one, the dancing wasn't the best, but what do I know about dancing? Bravo I think is seriously going to be gone soon, Jonouchi with him if he doesn't go back to his team. __________________ Find me at places- YouTube / Twitter Check out my Tokusatsu articles on JustUsGeeks!

02-23-2014, 04:28 AM	#127
KyoryuGreen Sky Henshin! Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 4,779	I absolutely loved this episode. I love Zack's story and how he becomes Knuckle. I love Kaito's development and just love Gaim and Bravo too. Micchy is going down a bit of a dark path I think. I can't wait to see Ryouma fight, I hope the episode gets subbed soon. __________________ My Sales Thread! Lower Prices!