[Pineapple924]

I was orignally miffed that all of Specter's forms were connected to royalty in some way except for Houdini. Untill I happend upon a particular amazon listing a few days ago:

[Blade Fang]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

If Shinji was never supposed to be a rider, and Ryuga was created subconsciously by Shiro's sister, that means Ryuga wasn't part of Odin's plan and Abyss is the real 13th Rider.

The two shark monsters like Abyss Hammer and Abyss Slasher are appeared in Ryuki series so the potential Kamen Rider Abyss powers actually are exist in Ryuki series. Both Abyss Hammer and Abyss Slasher are didn't have Rider as their master in Ryuki Series.

And, in Zi-O, someone finally can become Kamen Rider Abyss.......

I really curious if Zebra Skull Monsters are have Rider as their master......

[Matrixbeast]

I'm just thinking that, if 13 decks were created, and Ryuga was a fluke that had his own deck from the get go from being born in the mirror world, I think technically speaking, Abyss is the true 13th Rider in Ryuki.

And it's entirely possible. A version of Raia had Guldthunder as a partner, Imperor has like, 5 monsters under his thumb because the Zelles travel in herds, and Abyss has 2 advent cards because both sharks are contracted to him. So it's not impossible for the Zebra Skulls to form a contract with someone.

[KibouNoRyu]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I'm just thinking that, if 13 decks were created, and Ryuga was a fluke that had his own deck from the get go from being born in the mirror world, I think technically speaking, Abyss is the true 13th Rider in Ryuki.

And it's entirely possible. A version of Raia had Guldthunder as a partner, Imperor has like, 5 monsters under his thumb because the Zelles travel in herds, and Abyss has 2 advent cards because both sharks are contracted to him. So it's not impossible for the Zebra Skulls to form a contract with someone.

It's similar with rider time Ryuki. 13 great warriors were brought to the mirror world, which discounts Odin being one of them. Ryuga was also probably not counted. This leaves 11. At the start of the special it is mentioned that some are already dead, but we don't get to see who those are. My guess is that one is Femme, and the other could be Alternative or a new rider

[Matrixbeast]

Well, Alternative is definitively not one of the 13 chosen riders, since his powers and deck weren't part of Odin's creation.

[Sunred]

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Originally Posted by Blade Fang

And, in Zi-O, someone finally can become Kamen Rider Abyss.......

Played by Kenji Tominaga aka the suit actor for Kuuga and Riku the former Kuuga in Kamen Rider Kuuga.

[Blade Fang]

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Originally Posted by Sunred

Played by Kenji Tominaga aka the suit actor for Kuuga and Riku the former Kuuga in Kamen Rider Kuuga.

He also suit actor for Duke and Bujin Gaim.

[KRWolfblade]

While the statues on Grand Zi-O are placed there for an obvious reason (left side Heisei Era, right side Neo-Heisei Era, middle Anniversary series), there are other potential reasons for their placements.

Chest Left Side: Kuuga is the first Heisei Era Rider, Den-O and Kiva appeared in the first Heisei Era team-up film (Climax Deka)

Chest Right Side: Double is the first Neo-Heisei Era Rider, Ex-Aid started the Heisei Generation film series, Build appears in the last Heisei Generations film in the Heisei Era.

Two statues on each side of his waist: Kabuto and Ghost both possess horns.

The position of the statues makes a U shape that follows each Heisei era's Kamen Rider order:
* Heisei: Left shoulder: Kuuga, Left arm: Agito Ryuki, left leg from bottom up: Faiz, Blade, Hibiki, left waist: Kabuto, left side chest: Den-O, Kiva
* Neo-Heisei: right shoulder: Double, Right arm: OOO, Fourze, right leg from bottom up: Wizard, Gaim, Drive, right waist: Ghost, right side chest: Ex-Aid, Build.
Decade is in the middle to serve as a bridge between each side (last Heisei Era Kamen Rider, first to properly start the yearly team ups alongside Double (Movie War/Heisei Generations). Zi-O is on the crown to symbolise his role/dream to be King and he is above them all as he is the one who inherits their powers to become a King.

[gashatfreak]

Has anyone realised that Grand Zi-O has a beard?

[barnstenchfartface]

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Originally Posted by gashatfreak

Has anyone realised that Grand Zi-O has a beard?

Yeah, that's one of my favorite elements of the design. Very kingly.