DC Comics Appreciation Thread

KRX · 07-11-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Oh. Hello, excitement. Why, yes—you have grown.

ElConvoy · 07-11-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Thessair

I would like to watch it now, please.

Me too.

And damn we actually have a Batman that went through the death of Jason Todd. Never thought I would see that happening.

SanoBaron · 07-11-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KRX

He probably will. He's Bruce Timm

Yes he did.

The way these panels are structured indicate that the Joker didn't immediately shoot Barbara once she opened the door. He stood there, holding the gun, which Barbara noticed almost immediately, hence the inclusion of the second panel right before the third. In the amount of time it took for the Joker to shoot Barbara, it is easy enough to presume that Barbara had time to react. A change like that in the film would be reasonable and much more in character for Barbara Gordon than the original comic.

Barbara Gordon is the daughter of the police commissioner in one of the most crime-ridden cities in the world. She probably would use the peephole.

first off, all 3 of those panels could be summing up less than a second, which would not give Barbara enough time to react. and the only way to prove this was longer than less than a second would be to have a timer at the bottom, which this does not.

also, one wouldn't use the peephole if she thought it was someone she was expecting, and even if she did use the peephole, she probably couldn't tell who it was. that's a plotpoint in Persona 4 which explains why someone wouldn't check the door and instead open it right away.

there was nothing wrong with the original comic or having Barbara become crippled. if anything, i felt her becoming Oracle was way better than her becoming Batgirl. because becoming Oracle meant something greater in the long run.

algo448 · 07-11-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Bruce Timm confirmed at SDCC that he is working on an animated adaptation of The Killing Joke.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/07/...animated-film/

Interesting.
Don't really have much for or against it, I just hope it's cool.

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

Given that she has one.

I like the crippling thing. Not the act how it happened but what it did for Babs as a character. Not being able to use her legs forced her to develop her mind and other skills and became a new kind of hero that wasnt just highly valuable for Batman but the superhero community as a whole.

Oracle was a great idea, and hey, if this results in her having an important role in an animated film at some point, I'd be happy.

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Originally Posted by Paladin

and at today's SDCC panel, DC confirmed that a new Green Lantern film is on the way. Title is Green Lantern Corps.

Wahoo! That's the way to do a GL movie.

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Originally Posted by Paladin

*dem BatmanVSuperman trailer*

Hey, now that's a trailer that knows how to sell a movie, I mean Wondie still feels odd out there, but we have a proper idelogy clash, it actually feels like a MoS sequel and not just Batman featuring Supes.
You are working movie, you are working.

ElConvoy · 07-11-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by algo448

Hey, now that's a trailer that knows how to sell a movie, I mean Wondie still feels odd out there, but we have a proper idelogy clash, it actually feels like a MoS sequel and not just Batman featuring Supes.
You are working movie, you are working.

With seeing more what the movie is actually about it also makes some things I was afraid of more clear.
Namely the whole Superman army thing. Seeing how he is courted at the beginning of the trailer makes it look much more like he is forced by the government to work with the military which would make sense that Supes tries to appeal to them after he caused the death of millions. They just need to show though that hes uncomfortable with the situation and doesnt like to be used as a weapon by them.

KRX · 07-11-2015, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SanoBaron

first off, all 3 of those panels could be summing up less than a second, which would not give Barbara enough time to react. and the only way to prove this was longer than less than a second would be to have a timer at the bottom, which this does not.

also, one wouldn't use the peephole if she thought it was someone she was expecting, and even if she did use the peephole, she probably couldn't tell who it was. that's a plotpoint in Persona 4 which explains why someone wouldn't check the door and instead open it right away.

there was nothing wrong with the original comic or having Barbara become crippled. if anything, i felt her becoming Oracle was way better than her becoming Batgirl. because becoming Oracle meant something greater in the long run.

Given the look of fear/shock on her face in the third panel, it's obvious that the scene lasted more than a second.

She wasn't expecting anyone when the Joker came knocking. And it's kinda hard not to figure out the guy standing outside of the door is the Joker, tourist costume or no.

The only reason Barbara became Oracle was because Kim Yale and John Ostrander found her crippling in The Killing Joke to be distasteful. And rather than let a character with such a rich history and significance fall into obscurity, they decided to bring her back as someone learning to live with disability. Her development into Oracle was crucial to the comic-book medium as a whole, but her crippling in The Killing Joke was, in the words of Alan Moore himself, "shallow and ill-conceived."

At the time of The Killing Joke's release, Barbara Gordon was a character with a 21-year history and an enormous fanbase. While her popularity had begun to decline, to have her story almost end as a mere plot device to further one story is completely disrespectful and a prime example of the "women in refrigerators" trope.

SanoBaron · 07-11-2015, 03:46 PM

that's why I like the Killing Joke.
rather than letting it stay a tragedy and hang over their heads, they decided to make something good come out of the tragedy, like many people who overcome their disabilities.

I like Barbara as Oracle because she became something out of something horrible that happened to her. and it affected not only her, but other DC heroes as well. one of my favorite Booster Gold stories is him trying to stop Barbara from getting shot, and it's such a touching scene because it really shows how loyal and self-sacrificing Booster Gold can be.

that's why I like it. because a tragedy can lead to someone becoming greater than they ever could have been. and I hate seeing people get angry over it because they don't like seeing bad things happen to women. I feel the whole refrigerator trope has become perverted and an excuse to just say "I don't like this character being in a bad situation"

Kiwami · 07-11-2015, 03:51 PM

What I already hate about Batman vs. Superman is how much The Dark Knight Returns they pump into it. If you want to make a movie about Dark Knight Returns, as pointless as it would be, do it. Why rip the ideas out of context and rearrange it like that? I hate that.

SanoBaron · 07-11-2015, 03:57 PM

Because Batman sells. That's the only reason.

You wanna sell these other DC heroes? Tie them to Batman.
Wanna make a movie? Tie it to Batman.
Wanna make cool figures? Tie it to Batman.

I mean, I like Batman, but even I know it sucks that they HAVE to use that kind of marketing to sell their stuff.

ElConvoy · 07-11-2015, 04:11 PM

Suicide Squad trailer has been leaked.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=122711

07-11-2015, 02:32 PM	#1471
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07-11-2015, 02:55 PM	#1473
SanoBaron Tree Princess Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,420	Quote: Originally Posted by KRX He probably will. He's Bruce Timm Yes he did. The way these panels are structured indicate that the Joker didn't immediately shoot Barbara once she opened the door. He stood there, holding the gun, which Barbara noticed almost immediately, hence the inclusion of the second panel right before the third. In the amount of time it took for the Joker to shoot Barbara, it is easy enough to presume that Barbara had time to react. A change like that in the film would be reasonable and much more in character for Barbara Gordon than the original comic. Barbara Gordon is the daughter of the police commissioner in one of the most crime-ridden cities in the world. She probably would use the peephole. first off, all 3 of those panels could be summing up less than a second, which would not give Barbara enough time to react. and the only way to prove this was longer than less than a second would be to have a timer at the bottom, which this does not. also, one wouldn't use the peephole if she thought it was someone she was expecting, and even if she did use the peephole, she probably couldn't tell who it was. that's a plotpoint in Persona 4 which explains why someone wouldn't check the door and instead open it right away. there was nothing wrong with the original comic or having Barbara become crippled. if anything, i felt her becoming Oracle was way better than her becoming Batgirl. because becoming Oracle meant something greater in the long run. __________________ Last edited by SanoBaron; 07-11-2015 at 02:57 PM..

07-11-2015, 03:18 PM	#1474
algo448 Amateur Procrastinator Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Colombia Posts: 7,491	Quote: Originally Posted by Paladin Bruce Timm confirmed at SDCC that he is working on an animated adaptation of The Killing Joke. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/07/...animated-film/ Interesting. Don't really have much for or against it, I just hope it's cool. Quote: Originally Posted by ElConvoy Given that she has one. I like the crippling thing. Not the act how it happened but what it did for Babs as a character. Not being able to use her legs forced her to develop her mind and other skills and became a new kind of hero that wasnt just highly valuable for Batman but the superhero community as a whole. Oracle was a great idea, and hey, if this results in her having an important role in an animated film at some point, I'd be happy. Quote: Originally Posted by Paladin and at today's SDCC panel, DC confirmed that a new Green Lantern film is on the way. Title is Green Lantern Corps. Wahoo! That's the way to do a GL movie. Quote: Originally Posted by Paladin dem BatmanVSuperman trailer Hey, now that's a trailer that knows how to sell a movie, I mean Wondie still feels odd out there, but we have a proper idelogy clash, it actually feels like a MoS sequel and not just Batman featuring Supes. You are working movie, you are working. __________________ *DA // Tumblr // Youtube*

07-11-2015, 03:38 PM	#1476
KRX Mild-Mannered Reporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Everywhere and nowhere, according to String Theory. Posts: 5,462	Quote: Originally Posted by SanoBaron first off, all 3 of those panels could be summing up less than a second, which would not give Barbara enough time to react. and the only way to prove this was longer than less than a second would be to have a timer at the bottom, which this does not. also, one wouldn't use the peephole if she thought it was someone she was expecting, and even if she did use the peephole, she probably couldn't tell who it was. that's a plotpoint in Persona 4 which explains why someone wouldn't check the door and instead open it right away. there was nothing wrong with the original comic or having Barbara become crippled. if anything, i felt her becoming Oracle was way better than her becoming Batgirl. because becoming Oracle meant something greater in the long run. Given the look of fear/shock on her face in the third panel, it's obvious that the scene lasted more than a second. She wasn't expecting anyone when the Joker came knocking. And it's kinda hard not to figure out the guy standing outside of the door is the Joker, tourist costume or no. The only reason Barbara became Oracle was because Kim Yale and John Ostrander found her crippling in The Killing Joke to be distasteful. And rather than let a character with such a rich history and significance fall into obscurity, they decided to bring her back as someone learning to live with disability. Her development into Oracle was crucial to the comic-book medium as a whole, but her crippling in The Killing Joke was, in the words of Alan Moore himself, "shallow and ill-conceived." At the time of The Killing Joke's release, Barbara Gordon was a character with a 21-year history and an enormous fanbase. While her popularity had begun to decline, to have her story almost end as a mere plot device to further one story is completely disrespectful and a prime example of the "women in refrigerators" trope. __________________ \|Tumblr\|Twitter\|Pinterest\|

07-11-2015, 03:46 PM	#1477
SanoBaron Tree Princess Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,420	that's why I like the Killing Joke. rather than letting it stay a tragedy and hang over their heads, they decided to make something good come out of the tragedy, like many people who overcome their disabilities. I like Barbara as Oracle because she became something out of something horrible that happened to her. and it affected not only her, but other DC heroes as well. one of my favorite Booster Gold stories is him trying to stop Barbara from getting shot, and it's such a touching scene because it really shows how loyal and self-sacrificing Booster Gold can be. that's why I like it. because a tragedy can lead to someone becoming greater than they ever could have been. and I hate seeing people get angry over it because they don't like seeing bad things happen to women. I feel the whole refrigerator trope has become perverted and an excuse to just say "I don't like this character being in a bad situation" __________________ Last edited by SanoBaron; 07-11-2015 at 03:49 PM..