[ZeoRangerV]

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Originally Posted by KRX

Yes he did.


The way these panels are structured indicate that the Joker didn't immediately shoot Barbara once she opened the door. He stood there, holding the gun, which Barbara noticed almost immediately, hence the inclusion of the second panel right before the third. In the amount of time it took for the Joker to shoot Barbara, it is easy enough to presume that Barbara had time to react. A change like that in the film would be reasonable and much more in character for Barbara Gordon than the original comic.

Barbara Gordon is the daughter of the police commissioner in one of the most crime-ridden cities in the world. She probably would use the peephole.

If those three panels are entirely what you're basing your argument off, then that's simply you choosing to infer it that way. I look at those three panels and see:

1) Joker at the door
2) A panel that expresses the severity of the Joker holding a gun at her at point blank range.
3) Barbara's realisation at what's going on.

That could be like, seconds at the most.

Also, to say she's have reacted the way you think is also taking how much Batgirl has changed over time. The Batgirl that got shot by the Joker was probably taking out minor league criminals at the most, not people like that Joker. Fan base or not that's pretty much how people saw her, and still many probably do now. Everyone bar Batman would probably have reacted in the same way. In a story that's entirely about how messed up the Joker is, that much is to be expected.

The story itself is incredibly demeaning in the way it portrays Barbara, but I really don't think this is an example of it.

[Electric Turahk]

Actually kind of excited by the Batman v. Superman trailer. I liked what I saw.

[AgileSiamang7]

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Originally Posted by KRX

I would think she'd look through the peephole first.

Personally, I wish they'd just do away with the whole crippling thing. It was a product of its time and it shows. But since that's probably not going to happen, I think Barbara at least deserves one last fight where the Joker only gets in a cheap shot.

Didn't she think it was a friend of hers at the door? Her guard was down, it happens to the best of people (even that jackass Batman).

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

Given that she has one.

I like the crippling thing. Not the act how it happened but what it did for Babs as a character. Not being able to use her legs forced her to develop her mind and other skills and became a new kind of hero that wasnt just highly valuable for Batman but the superhero community as a whole.

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Originally Posted by KRX

He probably will. He's Bruce Timm



Yes he did.



The way these panels are structured indicate that the Joker didn't immediately shoot Barbara once she opened the door. He stood there, holding the gun, which Barbara noticed almost immediately, hence the inclusion of the second panel right before the third. In the amount of time it took for the Joker to shoot Barbara, it is easy enough to presume that Barbara had time to react. A change like that in the film would be reasonable and much more in character for Barbara Gordon than the original comic.

Barbara Gordon is the daughter of the police commissioner in one of the most crime-ridden cities in the world. She probably would use the peephole.

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

If those three panels are entirely what you're basing your argument off, then that's simply you choosing to infer it that way. I look at those three panels and see:

1) Joker at the door
2) A panel that expresses the severity of the Joker holding a gun at her at point blank range.
3) Barbara's realisation at what's going on.

That could be like, seconds at the most.

Also, to say she's have reacted the way you think is also taking how much Batgirl has changed over time. The Batgirl that got shot by the Joker was probably taking out minor league criminals at the most, not people like that Joker. Fan base or not that's pretty much how people saw her, and still many probably do now. Everyone bar Batman would probably have reacted in the same way. In a story that's entirely about how messed up the Joker is, that much is to be expected.

The story itself is incredibly demeaning in the way it portrays Barbara, but I really don't think this is an example of it.

The Joker shows up at your door. Not in the Batcave, not out on patrol, at your door. For a second, if you were Barbra, you might be worried that he'd somehow figured out who you are. At that range, there is still only so much even she could do, and even then she still got shot. I'd have preferred Barbra go out fighting as well before she was "retired", but in this scenario it never appeared to me that she really had moment to do anything.

[ElConvoy]

This is whole getting shot thing wouldnt even be such a controversy if it wasnt followed by this...

[Yellow Ranger]

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

This is whole getting shot thing wouldnt even be such a controversy if it wasnt followed by this...

Added that the attitude of editorial going in was and I quote:

"F***ING CRIPPLE THE B****!"

[ZeoRangerV]

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Originally Posted by ElConvoy

This is whole getting shot thing wouldnt even be such a controversy if it wasnt followed by this...
*snip*

Exactly this.

[XW1n5t0nX]

Man I can't wait for that film. It should be amazing as all hell. I just hope we get Conroy and Hamil again. Hearing Mark go into the utterly aggressive insanity of KJ Joker would be fantastic, especially for the song and his monologue about his past.

[Powerman293]

That Batman v Superman trailer looks pretty great. I thought the Wonder Woman was going to be relegated to a cameo, but I guess not. Batfleck looks great and Lexisenberg looks weird.

I'm wondering if Lex is going to play a much more minor role in this film as compared to a main villain. People have speculated that since Lex was going to be in Suicide Squad, that he was going to become president of the United states and his story arc is going to keep going.

[Dr Kain]

That was terrible. Batman is now branding people with his Batarang? Lex has hair!! It seems to be all action and no plot. People are bowing down to Superman and he is accepting it. The CGI in the trailers is absolutely atrocious looking. Those scenes where Superman was flying over the battlefield makes the CGI in Terminator Genisys look good.

The only positive I can say is that at least it could have been a worse trailer.

[ElConvoy]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

That was terrible. Batman is now branding people with his Batarang? Lex has hair!! It seems to be all action and no plot. People are bowing down to Superman and he is accepting it. The CGI in the trailers is absolutely atrocious looking. Those scenes where Superman was flying over the battlefield makes the CGI in Terminator Genisys look good.

The only positive I can say is that at least it could have been a worse trailer.

Yes he is because he is clearly shown to be a more extreme Batman after the death of Jason Todd and the destruction of Metropolis broke him as a man.

Lex always had hair and lost it later on in his life. Plus we already know Eisenberg is gonna go bald down the line.

Because its a trailer that mostly wants to show action? And there is enough plot hinted at with the ideology conflict between Clark and Bruce PLUS Superman having to deal with the aftermath of his fight against Zodd.

You dont know under what circumstances he is with those soldiers. He could easily do this against his will to not be declared an enemy by the worlds government. Or a terrorist group inspired by him and since its fucking Superman he would deal with it in a different way and NOT fight them.

We are still almost a year away from its release which makes it clear that the cg in those trailers is not final at all.