[ZeoRangerV]

Funny you said that, because the original cut of this episode had a beheading in it and the BBC cut it

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Funny you said that, because the original cut of this episode had a beheading in it and the BBC cut it

I heard. Still though the criticism about him not being dark every episode is idiotic. He wasn't completely dark in his premiere episode either. He called a dinosaur a big beautiful woman, flirted with her, and then had that whole exchange with Clara and the Clockwork in the larder/ship. The problem is that some fans think the Who Fandom needs to drop all the people who loved 11 and 10 for being 'cute' and 'campy' and whatever-else by turning Doctor Who into something so dark they go back to watching Supernatural or something. It's idiotic.

[WhiteRanger]

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Funny you said that, because the original cut of this episode had a beheading in it and the BBC cut it

i hope the original cut is the version that come out on dvd and blu ray

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by WhiteRanger

i hope the original cut is the version that come out on dvd and blu ray

Maybe. But watching the episode I don't see where beheading someone added to the story. It still flowed nicely and was entertaining.

And does anyone else notice that the plots so far have harkened back to earlier reboot episodes?

The Clockwork to The Girl in the Fireplace
The Good Dalek to Asylum of the Daleks

And the Robot Knights smelting a new Circuit Board reminded me of The Ashes of Pompeii. Where those Volcano aliens were trying to do pretty much the same thing. Also, ironically, the first Who episode with Capaldi.

To me that all leads back to Missy possibly being The Master. And setting everyone in this series up to troll the Doctor.

[ZeoRangerV]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

Maybe. But watching the episode I don't see where beheading someone added to the story. It still flowed nicely and was entertaining.

Yeah, I was trying to work out where exactly it would be and couldn't find an obvious place.

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Yeah, I was trying to work out where exactly it would be and couldn't find an obvious place.

Me either. It was a great episode without it.

[WhiteRanger]

dont get me wrong i enjoyed the episode and smae as i could not tell but it be nice to have the original cut

[AkibaSilver]

I really enjoyed this episode, and so did my family. I'm surprised for all the hate about it- Capaldi doesn't have to be dark and gritty all the time, he can do that every couple of weeks. Also, I was hoping for a giant gold robot before the spaceship thing... I'll take what I can get. Also, the Second Doctor totally dressed up as Robin Hood one time.

Next week- What looks like the first really scary episode since The Waters of Mars!

[ZeoRangerV]

Looks like another week of being in the minority as the world seems to be in universal praise of this episode, while I found it pretty average. The direction and general atmosphere were superb, but the story kind of felt all over the place and left a whole lot of unanswered questions even with the "twist" at the end.

And on that twist - I really didn't like it. I've just come out a long "discussion" with my fan-of-the-series-through-the-reboot girlfriend about how modern audiences are more demanding of glimpses into the Doctor's backstory, but it never seems to sit well with me right. I enjoy the Doctor as this complete enigma, and we've had more insight and revelations in Moffat's few years as show runner than we have in the entire show's run before. Afraid of the dark is fine, but not so much the sleeping in a barn or expected to become a soldier thing - I'm obviously very traditional in that respect.

That said, if it was a Tennant/Smith episode I'm sure I'd have outright hated it. Capaldi's Doctor was perfect for this episode, and combined with last week it just shows how perfect he is for all aspects of the character. Even if I found the Doctor looking for trouble and willingness to frighten/torment someone for the sake of his curiousity a little harder to wrap my head around this week. Not necessarily complaining, just an observation

[Thessair]

Yeah, I was definitely not a fan of this episode. You've covered most everything that rubbed me the wrong way. I'm tired of Moffat trying to make his mark on every aspect of the Doctor's backstory. It isn't needed. I don't need to know everything about everything. It minimalizes the myth of the character, I think.

The red herring with the blanket was ridiculous, too. No kid would act like that. It was a pointless moment that only existed to further the false narrative track. Not to mention the dialogue and "characer moments' between Danny and Clara were the worst kind of tripe. The speed at which they're being forced together and the terrible words coming out of their mouths make the whole thing painful.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm ready for the door to hit Moffat in the ass on the way out.