[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

Decade isn't some novice with the powers. He knows how to use each Rider, including Den.

No. It's the difference between Date knowing how the Birth suit works and Gotou reading the fucking manual to it.

I know how to pull the trigger to a gun, therefore I'm a master gun shooter.
That's the leap in logic you're applying.

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Originally Posted by KRX

Clock Up never slowed down time- it only increases the speed of the user to a level where time seemed to have slowed. Furthermore, Decade does have access to Ultimate Kuuga if he utilizes Complete Form. Now, I like Den-O. I really do. But he is going to get creamed, DenLiner or no DenLiner.

I'm only basing this on the directing. This being a visual media, it's easy to make this kind of mistake.
Kabuto always made it a point to show that the world around them slowed to a crawl, while Decade only explicitly showed Clock Up to solely affect the individual.
In the media of "Show, don't tell" it's a common mistake.

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Against what I thought would be my original judgement I'm backing the train king. Matrix gives a compelling argument.

Wonderful~

[ShockerCon]

I think this might be the first time for these Rider Polls when Switchblade's opinion doesn't win.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by ShockerCon

I think this might be the first time for these Rider Polls when Switchblade's opinion doesn't win.

a) I don't really have a horse in this race and don't really care either way.
2) You obviously weren't watching my votes back in the qualifying rounds.

[Brainchild]

I'm not at all sure how things got this way. I thought people would for sure assign Den-O the same "doofy brawler" status that they're so quick to throw at Fourze, and Decade would win by a considerable margin because he's the Gokaiger of Kamen Rider, but I guess not. I'm going for Den-O either way, simply because he has a lot more fighting experience and tends to focus more on attacking than being stylish or edgy, unlike Tsukasa.

[KamenRiderOOO]

Wow, a tie lol. Someone break it!

[Electric Turahk]

But I'm so conflicted! Dx

[Den-O]

Buahahaha!! Climax!

[Ruckyducky]

I really do think it just all comes down to who can answer more of their opponent's threat. It's just like playing magic, if you have a deck with more answers than a very limited opponent then you have an instant advantage. Sure it also comes down to the user, but I think on a fighter level they are pretty evenly matched. However I think we can agree that decade has the better and more versatile deck. Meaning the cards should be stacked in his favor.

[MidoGreen]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

If Decade loses here I'll zip my mouth about Gokaiger.

But seriously, if anyone wants to pull Decade shenanigans, need I remind you that the Imagin are freaking powerhouses themselves. Momotaros can shrugs off hits like there's no tomorrow, Kintaros can run through entire buildings without slowing, Urataros's rod can freeze opponents in place, Ryuutaros is a rather good shot for all his constant dancing and gunslinging, Sieg can move at superhuman speeds and can shrink people down to an inch.

This fight is NOT just a "Who brought the bigger sword" contest. Momo/Sword fights wildly, using fast strikes for lots of blows. Kin/Axe doesn't fight using just, strong, slow hits. It fights to overwhelm opponents. A wide stance to keep his ground and heavy hits to push opponents back. Ura/Rod makes use of his longer reach and hook and line to keep enemies at bay, with wide arcing swings to have the opponent constantly dodging rather than fighting. Ryuu/Gun is gun spam incarnate. Fast on his feet, fast on the trigger. Sieg/Wing is basically Den-O: Kabuto form. Calm, letting the enemy come to him and to counter their hits, or making use of his increased speed to bring the fight to a confused foe.

"Decade has Clock Up", but Decade's clock up doesn't slow down time like canon Clock Up, but merely increases his own speed, meaning Den-O's perception of him stays the same, the only advent Card Decade has access to that might mean a damn thing is Dragredder, and Den-O has an assault train to handle that, and Den-O can successfully counter anything Decade pulls out.

As for the "Taking the Den-Liner" thing, there's a reason why the Pass exists in the first place.

Matrixbeast always has good posts in these battles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galvantula

Even if Den-O loses this battle, I believe you've won this thread.

Quoted for truth

[Ruckyducky]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

But seriously, if anyone wants to pull Decade shenanigans, need I remind you that the Imagin are freaking powerhouses themselves. Momotaros can shrugs off hits like there's no tomorrow, Kintaros can run through entire buildings without slowing, Urataros's rod can freeze opponents in place, Ryuutaros is a rather good shot for all his constant dancing and gunslinging, Sieg can move at superhuman speeds and can shrink people down to an inch.

But here's the thing, this is a battle between riders. Sure Den-O has the back up, but the point of the battle is no outside help I feel. If it included outside help, Diend just summons J and we get Decade's final kamen ride and become a giant.