[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Kingdom Oblivion

Not really decade has different actors for existing riders and only really focuses on decade. I want the original actors and have it be about them.

Like an anthology? I thought we were just pitching the actual show that year but if Amazons style side-projects are on the table too I'd love to see short little epilogue/side-stories for whatever shows they can get the actors from. Team-up stuff is nice too but I think we have plenty of that already.

[Matrixbeast]

I want Hibiki to hit the reset button from episode 30 onward. I know they'd have to recast Asumu, but I think they'll be able to find a kid who has the chops to do it.

[MarsHottentot]

I'm on board with the cyborg idea all the way - but have him be a villain - a true, brain controlled Shocker Rider and the good guys are a gaggle of former friends and other Riders that he plows through, with other Shocker Riders / Monsters as his allies. The set up would be just like a regular show, but the sides reversed. Until, of course, he gets double crossed, left for dead, rescued and realizes that he's been manipulated for twenty five episodes. Then it's a Revenge Rider series.

[XW1n5t0nX]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I want Hibiki to hit the reset button from episode 30 onward. I know they'd have to recast Asumu, but I think they'll be able to find a kid who has the chops to do it.

Either that or have a sequel of sorts that just ignores episodes 30 onwards. Have Asumu be the current Hibiki and have some new faces help running Takeshi, maybe have the prior Hibiki be in charge with Kasumi. Bring in some of the older actors for a few guest spots while introducing new Oni and a new potential prodigy.

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX

Have Asumu be the current Hibiki

Wait, is that part of people's problem with the back of Hibiki? I know the writing got real crappy, but I don't think the show was ever going to end any other way.

Anyway, if we're talking shows that could use epilogues, how about Faiz? Kamen Rider Wars and Yongou were sort of the Faiz fanfics I never knew I wanted, but they deliberately dance around the details, so there's plenty of room still left to explore.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Wait, is that part of people's problem with the back of Hibiki? I know the writing got real crappy, but I don't think the show was ever going to end any other way.

Asumu wasn't going to become Hibiki, but he was going to become his own Oni.

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Asumu wasn't going to become Hibiki, but he was going to become his own Oni.

Before the change in staff? I've heard the ending was rewritten to what it was from one where he did become an Oni, but I can't imagine the original vision of the show would've done that, going on those first 30 episodes. I think it's exactly the kind of point-missing, overly obvious thing you'd expect from the retool, and I really think the ending we got fit the message the series was always going for way better.

[Diamondmatter]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Before the change in staff? I've heard the ending was rewritten to what it was from one where he did become an Oni, but I can't imagine the original vision of the show would've done that, going on those first 30 episodes. I think it's exactly the kind of point-missing, overly obvious thing you'd expect from the retool, and I really think the ending we got fit the message the series was always going for way better.

I haven't seen Hibiki (except four episodes), but I remember reading that the retool introduced an unlikeable Mary Sue rival/peer for Asumu who becomes an Oni at the end instead of him, and the suit is even made from a scrapped Oni form for Asumu.

[Pineapple924]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Wait, is that part of people's problem with the back of Hibiki? I know the writing got real crappy, but I don't think the show was ever going to end any other way.

Anyway, if we're talking shows that could use epilogues, how about Faiz? Kamen Rider Wars and Yongou were sort of the Faiz fanfics I never knew I wanted, but they deliberately dance around the details, so there's plenty of room still left to explore.

I was fine with Asumu not becoming an Oni at the end. What soured the ending for me was that Kiriya, the guy who:

Wanted to become an Oni because it would make him a greater person than his dad. (Not in the "My dad was a great guy, but I want to live up to/ be better than him." kinda way, the "I gotta surpass my father for glory!")

Constantly competed with Asumu to become Hibiki's student even after Asumu decides not to become an Oni.

When tasked with running a couple miles as part of his training. Decides to call a taxi, rides to the finishing line, and calls it a day.

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Ultimately got to be an Oni. And not only did Asumu not get to be an Oni despite being way more worthy, but apparently the production team later confirmed that Asumu's Oni costume was scrapped to make Kiriya's suit look better.

[Fish Sandwich]

Yeah, Kiriya kind of sucks. They show him acting a bit more humble in the end but because you don't actually see the growth it comes off half-baked. I should probably clarify I mostly think that one particular element of the finale is dead-on. The rest is pretty much par for the course with the retool, so mediocre at best.