[Matrixbeast]

Oh yeah. Den-O's final villain is just pure crap. I try to block him out of my head, but yeah.

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Can somebody tell me what episode Gattack actually shows up? Right now The Bee and Kabuto are fighting for reasons I think the show forgot to tell me. I'm sure this is supposed to be all epic, but since neither characters are interesting or likable ("I am the sun" okay this is getting ridiculous. I thought Kabuto was bad. Although a gaint, hostile ball of noxious burning gas isn't a far off comparrison)

I'm just kinda skimming through eps at this point. I think this show forgot to have a plot. Nothing happens for any logical reason. Or any illogical reason. The worms are terrible villains and Zect are a terrible organization. The Bee comes out of nowhere and so far has fought two monsters in very unimpressive ways and got in a boring fight with Kabuto. And away from the monster fighting the people are just a chore to tolerate. Almost everyone talks in a droning monotone and there's not a bit of genuine character or life among them all. The only good thing about this show is the suits and Gary, but he's not even that interesting, just the most interesting.

I'm really unsurprised an "Anti-Kabuto" army exists.

I just don't see what's to like about this show. It's not like it's so bad it's just... there's nothing to it. I'm nine episodes in and I can't think of a single memorable moment so far.

EDIT: Den-o, however, has me interested and I'm not even ten minutes in. This poor guy has the worst luck ever.

Kabuto (the show) is charming because it's set up as though Kagami will be the main character but Tendou is always stealing the spotlight. Most of the plot in various arcs revolves around Kagami himself. So it's a very different take on the typical rider show to have the asshole main rider be the one you care least about because he has no real characterization. The designs are memorable too.

Gattack shows up in the early 20's if I'm not mistaken. His addition greatly helps the show. The shows biggest problem is that it relies heavily on implied plot threads which aren't ever really resolved. I love it for the most part but some things (Drake, TheBee for examples) annoy the shit out of me.

Den-O is so much fun it's ridiculous. I think labeling it as slapstick comedy is a bit silly though. It's no worse for comedy or goofiniess than shows like Fourze or Wizard. Den-O strikes the best balance between drama and comedy. The characters are all quite likable even though alot of people hate Ryutaro based on their brief experiences. Just like with Kiva most people refuse to acknowledge that the character ever evolves.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Oh yeah. Den-O's final villain is just pure crap. I try to block him out of my head, but yeah.

This however is 100% true.

[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Oh yeah. Den-O's final villain is just pure crap. I try to block him out of my head, but yeah.

Oh yeah, me too. I just wanted to warn him that he got on my nerves, I don't think I've hated a villian this much since The Joker. I don't think that SPLIT LIP should let that deter him in any way, though.

EDIT: I think Den-O explained it a lot better than I did...then again I'm horrible at explaining things, and I really like Ryotarou. He's one of my favorite main Riders.

[Sentai]

Den-O would've been so much better if Negataros had been the villian all the way through. Nega's movie is still one of the best Rider Movies.

[coturos]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

Den-O would've been so much better if Negataros had been the villian all the way through. Nega's movie is still one of the best Rider Movies.

agreed, although the first time i saw it i was let down because it was labeled a "cross-over" which it is not

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by coturos

agreed, although the first time i saw it i was let down because it was labeled a "cross-over" which it is not

Kamen Rider is known for Cross-Over movies where no-one actualy crosses over, and one of the Riders only appears for a minute for two. Usually at the end for the final attack and then dissapears somewhere without a word.

[coturos]

really? because i've only seen that in the den-o movies XD

[Den-O]

Negataros isn't the greatest villain ever but he would have been better than Kai. Honestly I would have preferred to see Gaoh come back in the end. Or I wish they'd come up with Yuuki while the series was going and used him more somehow.

[Sentai]

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Originally Posted by coturos

really? because i've only seen that in the den-o movies XD

It happens alot, sadly.

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Negataros isn't the greatest villain ever but he would have been better than Kai. Honestly I would have preferred to see Gaoh come back in the end. Or I wish they'd come up with Yuuki while the series was going and used him more somehow.

Negataros would've been better than alot of villians they had in Den-O. Den-O reminds me of Goseiger. In that there was no real central villian through the series, just a bunch of smaller villians. And both suffered for it. As much as I love Goseiger, I can't deny it needed a central villian. More than just Brajira. No matter how awesome he was.

[ZeoRangerV]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

It happens alot, sadly.

Really? Because the only instances of that which come to find are "next series Rider" cameos.