[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

I can see where you're coming from, but I'll always be Team Gaoh/the late Hiroyuki Watanabe, personally.

To each their own!

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Originally Posted by Daikaijuman54

But this movie/special/short, I daresay I'd recommend to who've never seen Kamen Rider. It's pretty much a self-contained story, with a bunch of great action, and a cool new form for Saber. It's a simple upgrade, but I do enjoy it.

On the merits of its amount of characters, variety of form changes, and ubiquity of explosions? It's definitely a fun experience for any type of viewer.

[Tokumonkey]

Unrelated: I only *just* figured out the pun in "Kamen Rider Die." Awesome.

[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by Tokumonkey

Unrelated: I only *just* figured out the pun in "Kamen Rider Die." Awesome.

Ha ha, thanks!

[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 10 - “SWORDS UNITED, UNDER A SHARED BELIEF”

That’s not to say that the emotional component isn’t here as well, it’s just… I don’t know, I found it sweet, but it sort of lost me at the end. I really enjoyed how much Touma and Rintaro are willing to highlight Kento’s moodiness and evasiveness, especially as they use it to offer up their support. Kento’s story to this point is that if anyone learned his horrible secret, they’d never be his friends again. And that’s honestly a fair thing for him to think, since he’s mostly been surrounded by Teammates and Co-Workers thus far. With Touma (and, to a lesser extent, Rintaro), he’s actually got someone to support him outside the structure of the Sword of Logos. He’s got a friend who will shoulder some of that emotional burden, and he never thought to ask for that. Touma’s method of looping their stories in together gives Kento the resolve to challenge Calibur, and win.

Man yeah, that's the difference between the audience, who already knows character's traits, and the people inside who interacted with them. Dramatic irony or internal reveal is a stuff in stories, but as someone who'd have evasiveness like Kento, I'd think if only I got audience-like knowledge of the people, I'd know to accept or avoid support - in this case, I'd immediately confide to Touma as I'd know he's a goody two shoes thus he'd do best to support me, and also Rintaro as he's nice though he got problems in socializing. Other than that, there's also Mei who tries to get Kento to open up, and as usual, being pushy about it, though she also claims they're friends. For her though, kinda doubt here if Mei'd only open to listening because Kento is hot in her eyes, or because she's genuinely like that, if I'm in Kento's place I'd doubt opening up with Mei too...

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

But then we get Kento finding out that Calibur (get ready for my shocked face) isn’t Kento’s dad, but Daichi, the previous Saber. This would normally be a good thing – Kento’s dad isn’t Calibur, the big enemy everyone’s trying to defeat! – but Daichi immediately goes Oh No Your Dad Totally Betrayed Everyone, so it’s a bit of a wash. (It also leads Kento to think Daichi maybe killed his dad, so we’ll see how bad this gets!) Added to that big reveal is the further dissipation of Touma’s Narratively Convenient Amnesia, as he finally puts together that the boy from his Two Guys, A Girl, And A Trauma Place memory is Kento, which is not at all new information for the audience. This is where I kind of lost my enthusiasm for this episode.

Actually now I do wonder what actually happened behind the supposedly noble Daichi being the one who uses Calibur, and also fights the 3 main Riders without issue, and apparently the twist is really, about Kento's dad being a traitor still, as claimed by Daichi. I wasn't invested for Calibur stuff at all in the beginning, but this actually gave me a bit more interest about it, like why Daichi ended up like this.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

The Touma reveal is triply bad storytelling. First, and worst, it’s information the viewer has had for a while. Making the climax of your episode the hero learning information that is old news? Not great! Secondly, it’s Touma learning it at the least manageable time to do so, which is why Touma punting on interrogating Kento a few episodes back was such a groan-worthy move. The hero piecing together his past when it’s most problematic for the team is just such a stupid cliche. It’s lazy storytelling, and I’d hoped this show would be smarter than this.

About this being old information to the audience, I wonder if they actually know that the boy in the flashback was Kento, or this is actually a confirmation to them. Or that Kento being introduced as Touma's childhood friend already indirectly explained this to them (I knew this from basic Saber information... also got spoiled a bit).

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Agreed. Recruiting the notorious Swordsman Killer to SOL would be like recruiting a taxidermist to the veterinarian clinic. It's a terrible idea!

This is why I disagree with the thinking of heroes as the strong and cool ones.

[Androzani84]

Well, it’s nice to see you enjoyed this movie. I certainly had a better time with it than Zero-One’s movies. And it allows me to introduce my new feature, in which I take a look at either some alternative jingles for one-book Swords, and share the multiple jingles that the larger books all have (in addition to the standby and transformations being part of the book, rather than part of the sword).

Battou! Eternal Power/Legend/Wonder! Kyomu! The flames of the God-beasts/the fangs of the animals/the dreams of the stories/power without equal return all to the nether!

Bravery! Love! Pride! The God-Beast with the three powers now arrives…!

Love! It’s is the power to care for everything!

Bravery! It is the power to unlock hope!

Pride! It is the power to pierce through your own will!

And you may notice that they brought in a female VA to do this book, in addition to the two male VAs we regularly get. Specifically, her name’s Miyu Fukuda (no relation to Takuro) and she’s part of an group called NEO-JAPANISM. We’ll be seeing her in a slightly more major capacity down the line.

Speaking of down the line, Falchion doesn’t die, he get put back in the book he escaped from and given over to a bloke in a cloak…

But next time, you’ve seen the the repaint in action, now you’ll see the og mould.

[Nokination]

For how much I stated my dislike of fighting in my last post, I actually did like this movie, it's just plain fun, there isn't any real plot to the movie, it's just a big fight between the good Riders and evil Riders.

Considering how most of this film is just fighting, I don't exactly have much to say, the movie looks nice and Emotional Dragon is honestly a really cool form, so it's too bad it's a movie form meaning it'll probably never appear again, but I can hope.

I guess I didn't like how Touma was the only one there actually fighting the main bad guy, I know this is to be expected of Kamen Rider, but the other Rider literally just fighting a giant army of fodder for the entire movie's runtime leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though I'd probably be a bit more mad if it weren't for the fact that this movie was clearly just made for the sole purpose of making kids want to watch the show by showing them 20 minutes of cool fighting.

On the whole, this movie was decent, as I've said a multitude of times, it's merely just fighting for the whole thing, not even trying to explain anything, and it's hard to fault the movie for that, so I guess I liked the movie, even if I would have preferred that this film had a bit more substance.

[Deepsea]

I didnt end up doing much today, including not watching saber, si bleh.

Also! I just want to bring up how great the credits are for the short film. They're freaking adorable.

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Originally Posted by Tokumonkey

Unrelated: I only *just* figured out the pun in "Kamen Rider Die." Awesome.

It's a pun? Like on ghost or something?

[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Man yeah, that's the difference between the audience, who already knows character's traits, and the people inside who interacted with them. Dramatic irony or internal reveal is a stuff in stories, but as someone who'd have evasiveness like Kento, I'd think if only I got audience-like knowledge of the people, I'd know to accept or avoid support - in this case, I'd immediately confide to Touma as I'd know he's a goody two shoes thus he'd do best to support me, and also Rintaro as he's nice though he got problems in socializing.

I'm really enjoying how much of a recurring sub-plot Handling Kento is. That dude came into this show brooding and ashamed, and the characters keep having to find some way to navigate his moodiness and bolster his self-esteem. I really love it? It's actually a nicely sensitive portrayal of depression, even if its root cause is My Dad Is An Evil Swordsman, rather than Brain Chemicals.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

About this being old information to the audience, I wonder if they actually know that the boy in the flashback was Kento, or this is actually a confirmation to them. Or that Kento being introduced as Touma's childhood friend already indirectly explained this to them (I knew this from basic Saber information... also got spoiled a bit).

The latter, I'd think. That same flashback scene shows up in the opening credits, and Kento's debut established that he and Touma and an unnamed girl were childhood friends. I don't think the frequent cuts to it left any mystery as to who's who in that flashback.

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

Well, it?s nice to see you enjoyed this movie. I certainly had a better time with it than Zero-One?s movies. And it allows me to introduce my new feature, in which I take a look at either some alternative jingles for one-book Swords, and share the multiple jingles that the larger books all have (in addition to the standby and transformations being part of the book, rather than part of the sword).

Thanks so much for sharing this!

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Originally Posted by Nokination

I guess I didn't like how Touma was the only one there actually fighting the main bad guy, I know this is to be expected of Kamen Rider, but the other Rider literally just fighting a giant army of fodder for the entire movie's runtime leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though I'd probably be a bit more mad if it weren't for the fact that this movie was clearly just made for the sole purpose of making kids want to watch the show by showing them 20 minutes of cool fighting.

I mean, like it or not, this is pretty much the climax of every Rider movie? The other Riders (show Secondaries, Legend Riders, Sentai guest-stars) handle the mass combat at the quarry, while the title Rider handles the lead villain elsewhere. It's very much the formula for these types of battles.

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Originally Posted by Deepsea

It's a pun? Like on ghost or something?

No, it's a dumber pun than that. "Kamen Ride Or Die".

[Mesnick]

I will again note that the peculiarity of Saber is that it is a show of riders, which has few allotted episodes. Therefore, all additional content in it is more important than usual. Even such a short action-oriented movie.

[weedle013ZiO]

*in Izu voice*
His username is a very funny joke based on the similar sound of “Rider” and “ride or”.