[koritoprime]

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Originally Posted by MKDremare

Gee, has it occurred maybe people are capable of caring about the tariffs and can still be empathetic and sympathetic to small business owners who could be affected by them?

You are just waiting your time if you are trying to teach Empathy to a Trump supporter

Let it go man for your own sanity

[Talisman]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

So let me end with an example in which the Tariffs suck because it's doing more than just what we've seen here. Ever heard of Kotetsu Toys Japan? Online import store owned by a man named Taka who has a lot of second hand and single versions of toys people can grab and is all around a good guy? He might end up having to close his store as a result of this. Dude has been dreading every bit of news we hear about it (I've been seeing it on Twitter, dude's not taking it well) because this store is his livelihood. Here's a video he made on it recently.

Aww man, not Taka!

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Originally Posted by MKDremare

Okay, so this is from Hololive's online shop, but I think it's a pretty good look into how this shit's gonna affect every online store, regardless of what it sells, as long as some of the product was made in China.

This is an example of what this will look like.

And here's the example if you don't want to go to Twitter.

So yea, I think it's pretty fucking important to understand how this affects everything. You don't need a college degree (or even a high school degree) to understand how utterly unacceptable the tariffs are.

This shit is going to do so much damage to the small stores who can't afford these duties, like Kotetsu Toys Japan.

This isn't a "boohoo, I can't get my toys!", this is literally a "No one will be able to get anything ever again, period." Like, who on earth in middle-class America can afford this?

Kotetsu, CS Toys, Tokullectibles... heck even larger operations like BBTS and HLJ are going to struggle under this.

Putting it another way, hobby spending is effectively dead, no matter what you're into, because almost everything we buy comes from overseas and abroad and what's left in here will not last long. And while some can make the argument of "well you shouldn't be concerned about toys anyway" understand that kids still, believe it or not, play with toys, still develop around them, and this is going to affect them considerably down the line because play is important to development. And just as much, hobbies are important to maintaining sound mental and even physical health, be it building a robot model or playing a sport. Both of which, I might remind you, require equipment or materials that are made overseas. Which means they're going to cost more. Which means a lot of people will no longer be able to afford them.

There is absolutely no upside to this situation no matter how much you contort yourself to look at it. It's not that there's going to be more money freed up to pay for necessities, it means necessities are going to become so exorbitant that there's less money to go around.

[gllgt]

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Originally Posted by MKDremare

Okay, so this is from Hololive's online shop, but I think it's a pretty good look into how this shit's gonna affect every online store, regardless of what it sells, as long as some of the product was made in China.

This is an example of what this will look like.

And here's the example if you don't want to go to Twitter.

So yea, I think it's pretty fucking important to understand how this affects everything. You don't need a college degree (or even a high school degree) to understand how utterly unacceptable the tariffs are.

"Nooo, not my vtuber slop bath toys!"

You will see ridiculous upcharges like that on every shop that relies on Chinese slave labor. I'm sorry you had to find out this way that despite all the virtue signaling, the majority of what you buy is cheap at the expense of Chinese citizens living in squalor.

If tariffs proceed unchanged, it will affect everything. But the idea that *everything* it will have upwards of nearly 200 dollars USD upcharge is just false and fear mongering.

[Name]

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Originally Posted by gllgt

"Nooo, not my vtuber slop bath toys!"

Uh... How did you know it was vtuber trash? Is there something you'd like to confess to the class?

[DreamSword]

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Originally Posted by gllgt

"Nooo, not my vtuber slop bath toys!"

You will see ridiculous upcharges like that on every shop that relies on Chinese slave labor. I'm sorry you had to find out this way that despite all the virtue signaling, the majority of what you buy is cheap at the expense of Chinese citizens living in squalor.

If tariffs proceed unchanged, it will affect everything. But the idea that *everything* it will have upwards of nearly 200 dollars USD upcharge is just false and fear mongering.

It's okay dear, you can admit you like this sort of thing just as much as many others. We won't judge you, and infact, some might find it pretty cute.

[Name]

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Originally Posted by DreamSword

We won't judge you

I mean, I fuckin' will. He's super in the closet about this stuff. I bet he puts on a mask when he goes out to his idol concerts with his $50 glow sticks.

[MKDremare]

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Originally Posted by gllgt

"Nooo, not my vtuber slop bath toys!"

You will see ridiculous upcharges like that on every shop that relies on Chinese slave labor. I'm sorry you had to find out this way that despite all the virtue signaling, the majority of what you buy is cheap at the expense of Chinese citizens living in squalor.

If tariffs proceed unchanged, it will affect everything. But the idea that *everything* it will have upwards of nearly 200 dollars USD upcharge is just false and fear mongering.

Cool strawman you made on what I was saying. I know for a fact that it's not going to be $200 for everything. I never even said anything that would suggest that. What I did was use an example of what paying tariffs could be like.

It's going to vary depending on what's being bought. The point I was making was that the duties are likely going to be high, regardless of what you're buying, and how this is going to affect online stores and small businesses. This isn't fearmongering or even false, this is just facts for now.

Nice of you to assume that I don't know or care that this stuff is made at the expense of Chinese citizens. And I think that the Chinese government needs to do something to actually help their citizens, and that there needs to be major reforms for everything. I'll admit that I'm far from the most qualified on saying how it could be all fixed. But I'm not pretending that this isn't an issue. And I already understand that different companies upcharge their products on products that use slave labor, what made you think I didn't? That I didn't specify that? This is an important issue in and of itself. But neither of these were the topic of the thread to begin with, it was on tariffs. So excuse me for focusing on that.

So shockingly, you can care about multiple things at once. But nice of you to suddenly point out about Chinese slave labor. Sounds like, I dunno, like a virtue signal to me.

EDIT: You know what, I don't know why I'm wasting energy to justify my position, since it's already clear you chose to strawman it. So anything I say is not going to matter to you, no matter how I explain it. And no one on either side is going to budge on their stances. So it's just pointless to continue this. If this was something you think was to be won, go for it. You "win". Congratulations.

[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by gllgt

You will see ridiculous upcharges like that on every shop that relies on Chinese slave labor. I'm sorry you had to find out this way that despite all the virtue signaling, the majority of what you buy is cheap at the expense of Chinese citizens living in squalor.

And now the state has decided to increase its share of this unholy business and it has suddenly become justice? Besides, there is a good proverb: "You see the speck in someone else's eye, but you don't notice the log in your own." In the US, there are more than seven million unemployed and almost eight hundred thousand homeless. I'm sure that a significant portion of them would prefer to work hard for bread and shelter than to die on the street while Cybertrucks drive by.

[gllgt]

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Originally Posted by MKDremare

EDIT: You know what, I don't know why I'm wasting energy to justify my position, since it's already clear you chose to strawman it. So anything I say is not going to matter to you, no matter how I explain it. And no one on either side is going to budge on their stances. So it's just pointless to continue this. If this was something you think was to be won, go for it. You "win". Congratulations.

You're justifying your position cause my post forced you to at least momentarily revaluate your position. There was no strawman. I've never claimed any moral high ground, but you (and others in this thread) have and as I figured if I used the same rhetorical device against you, you'd actually engage with the argument. And guess what? You did albeit briefly.

No one is forcing you to pay for the tariffs. You don't need to buy that slop. Just like I don't need to buy toys from Japan.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

And now the state has decided to increase its share of this unholy business and it has suddenly become justice? Besides, there is a good proverb: "You see the speck in someone else's eye, but you don't notice the log in your own." In the US, there are more than seven million unemployed and almost eight hundred thousand homeless. I'm sure that a significant portion of them would prefer to work hard for bread and shelter than to die on the street while Cybertrucks drive by.

Agree with it or not, but the entire plan behind the tariffs from the Trump admin has been reciprocal tariffs in attempt to bring back US industry. You can say it won't work, it's a dumb way to do it, etc. But how you think that will encourage people to further engage with the Chinese economy and all its drawbacks is beyond me. You seem to be out of your depth.

[Name]

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Originally Posted by gllgt

You don't need to buy that slop. Just like I don't need to buy toys from Japan.

You're not convincing anyone with those 3 crusty daki's you've got stashed under your bed.

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Originally Posted by gllgt

I've never claimed any moral high ground

Just like I haven't claimed you're a self-hating, anime merch loving degenerate. I'm only insinuating it.