[Matrixbeast]

Gremlin is a character that takes the shadow manipulator too far. There's having an agenda that requires you to stay hidden, but his actions are one step off from having no rhyme or reason.
I understand that he's supposed to be mysterious and all will be revealed by the end, but that doesn't change that I find him to be grating and a dull character (He might giggle constantly, but that doesn't make him any more interesting to watch).

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

What order do all those movies happen in? Do they happen during, or after the series? Shame I can't find Let's Go in English on youtube.

The Den-O movies, in order, are I'm Born (Which occurs in series), Climax Deka (Post series crossover with Kamen Rider Kiva), and Final Countdown (The last Den-O movie to have Satou play Ryotaro).

There's also Cho Den-O and Decade, a crossover movie with Decade (It occurs during Decade's series).

The Cho Den-O Trilogy is the last of the Den-O movies* (Though, Episode Yellow is about Kaito/Diend, a Kamen Rider Decade character).

*Let's Go top bills Den-O, so it's technically a Den-O movie, too

[SPLIT LIP]

Excellent, thanks! So Cho Den-O and Decade, when should I give that a watch? I haven't seen any ads in the intro for it?

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Excellent, thanks! So Cho Den-O and Decade, when should I give that a watch? I haven't seen any ads in the intro for it?

That's a Decade movie (Despite him barely playing a role in it).
You won't see ads for that until you start watching his series.

In all honesty, you don't need to watch Decade to understand Cho Den-O and Decade, but a story line involving Tsukasa (KR Decade) and Sieg in Decade (The series) ties directly into it.

[SPLIT LIP]

Den-O 46: Ouch, right in the feels.

47: OH GOD RIGHT IN THE NADS. (extra-feels)

Kintaros' "death" was certainly sad, he was a great character and to go down fighting in a blaze of glory is always touching, as was his motivation. I only wish it had been built up a bit better, or at the very least been the focus of the episode, rather than half of it. Also it was cool as hell seeing him use the... driver? Is it called that in this series? Well, the belt. It was cool to see him use the belt. Also, Imagin under contract can't board the Denliner? What about Deneb?

[SPLIT LIP]

Double posting, but since it's to post the last two Den-O eps, I feel it's worth it. Besides, I have a lot to say. The third Rider series I've ever completed.

48: I'm just gonna say it, Leonardo's last hurrah really felt cheap. It was literally just Kintaros' but without the same weight or minimal forthought. I can't say I'm happy about the same basic scene being replayed and them expecting the same emotional return, ESPECIALLY when it makes no sense. He's fighting three goons, the only three goons on Denliner, kills them, then a magical army appears. How? Where? I dunno. The entire thing with Airi is cool in concept, but I feel is very, very random. There was so much twisting and turning. This show basically had no overarching plot for about thirty solid episodes, now we're swimming in convoluted plotlines, character motivations, timelines and ideas. The best part is the whole "Rotorstorm needs to forget the baby in order to keep it safe." That's a pretty cool idea... except if he forgets the baby how can the baby exist and become a future singularity point? This show has done one thing almost consistently: memories are time, and without them, the past will not exist. So that's why the only people to know of the baby had to forget/leave. So how is the baby still existing? I thought... ugh, this makes no sense.

49: Oh boy, Kai. What can I say about Kai except WHAT? How, I can't, I don't... he just, he just decides to destroy this era. No planning, no wiping out the singularity point or connecting times or anything, just wipe it out.

Kai...

Honey...

Baby...

Pumpkin pie...

Why didn't you just...

I dunno...

Do this before? Why'd you waste time with Imagins if you could just do what you wanted whenever? Why'd you need a specific time if you could just do your temporal tantrum whenever you felt like? The show basically retconned him as the entire reason Imagin are running around, and made all these random, senseless acts into some sort of contrived plan... that he just dumps out the window the second things get a bit too hard, at literally zero detriment to his overall goal. So basically, the entire conflict of this show was entirely pointless.

Wha-hat.

The heh-ell.

Whatever, the whole revelation with Hana was good. I saw it coming, and it certainly adds a cool dynamic to the show overall. Deffinately one of the cleverer moves. Leo and Kintaros coming back was expected, since we never saw them die. The best part, as usual, is Yuuto and Deneb. They were hardman fighters and the last card... man, Yuuto should've been the star of this show. Calling him a "secondary" rider is almost degrading for him. But you know who doesn't recive my praise?

Ryuutaros. For the sake of accurately describing my feelign son him I've earned to speel his name right, but that in no way equates the level of respect for teh character I have for Momotaros, Kintaros or Yuuto/Deneb. he feels utterly and totally pointless, and it's like the show is relaising that. No last stand for him, no shining character moment of loyalty and bravado like Momo and Deneb. He seems like something completely added and not very well. I know he's been in the show forever, but he serves no crucial purpose. Even his colour doesn't make sense. Purple is such a weird colour alongside red, yellow and blue. Speaking of weird Imagin, hi Seig. Have't seen you for a while. You're still dumb. And YES! Vega Form, I thought I'd never see you again. And I still wish your eyes were yellow, but who cares.

Also, that dark Imagin that Kai barfed up, he's kind of a letdown. He's just a big brute. I shall call him Nonotaros, because he looks like Momo if Momo played in wet cement. (because life's too short man, wet cement is begging to be messed up) That said, fuck that final attack was pretty neat. Though I felt the Imagin's little prank not only busted the emotion a bit, but was kind of cruely out of character. (Also why does Seig get to join in on teh hetero man-touching? But, it made for a good end and of course, the best was Yuuto finally eating the shitcake or whatever. I can't believe how much fun those two were.

So that was Den-O. It was a hell of a ride, and I don't say that often. Overall, while I'll ptrobably go into more detail later, I'd say this ranks up evenly with OOO for me because holy shit I have never been so invested in these characters. Yuuto is the best secondary rider I've ever seen, and maybe one of my favourite Kamen Riders ever. That said, there were some big-ass flaws. Even with it's more metphysical approach to time travel this show is a headache that can't follow it's own rules clearly. A lot, and I mean a lot of really random shit happens for purely thematic reasons. Much like Eiji, Ryoutaro doesn't feel like the focus as much as the title charatcer should. Unlike Eiji, though, this feels intentional, and he still feels as useful as he needs to be, unlike how Eiji often felt almost superfluous to the show at times. He's no Shotaro and Philip, but those are two characters who came after Ryoutaro and had a much different goal as a character. And Ryoutaro's relationship with Momotaros was easily the highlight of the charatcer, the only downside being it was almost dwarfed by the much more engaging, yet sadly not often as developed, relationship between Deneb and Yuuto.

Now the big question: which series next? Back to Agito, or a new series?

[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Double posting, but since it's to post the last two Den-O eps, I feel it's worth it. Besides, I have a lot to say. The third Rider series I've ever completed.

48: I'm just gonna say it, Leonardo's last hurrah really felt cheap. It was literally just Kintaros' but without the same weight or minimal forthought. I can't say I'm happy about the same basic scene being replayed and them expecting the same emotional return, ESPECIALLY when it makes no sense. He's fighting three goons, the only three goons on Denliner, kills them, then a magical army appears. How? Where? I dunno. The entire thing with Airi is cool in concept, but I feel is very, very random. There was so much twisting and turning. This show basically had no overarching plot for about thirty solid episodes, now we're swimming in convoluted plotlines, character motivations, timelines and ideas. The best part is the whole "Rotorstorm needs to forget the baby in order to keep it safe." That's a pretty cool idea... except if he forgets the baby how can the baby exist and become a future singularity point? This show has done one thing almost consistently: memories are time, and without them, the past will not exist. So that's why the only people to know of the baby had to forget/leave. So how is the baby still existing? I thought... ugh, this makes no sense.

49: Oh boy, Kai. What can I say about Kai except WHAT? How, I can't, I don't... he just, he just decides to destroy this era. No planning, no wiping out the singularity point or connecting times or anything, just wipe it out.

Kai...

Honey...

Baby...

Pumpkin pie...

Why didn't you just...

I dunno...

Do this before? Why'd you waste time with Imagins if you could just do what you wanted whenever? Why'd you need a specific time if you could just do your temporal tantrum whenever you felt like? The show basically retconned him as the entire reason Imagin are running around, and made all these random, senseless acts into some sort of contrived plan... that he just dumps out the window the second things get a bit too hard, at literally zero detriment to his overall goal. So basically, the entire conflict of this show was entirely pointless.

Wha-hat.

The heh-ell.

Whatever, the whole revelation with Hana was good. I saw it coming, and it certainly adds a cool dynamic to the show overall. Deffinately one of the cleverer moves. Leo and Kintaros coming back was expected, since we never saw them die. The best part, as usual, is Yuuto and Deneb. They were hardman fighters and the last card... man, Yuuto should've been the star of this show. Calling him a "secondary" rider is almost degrading for him. But you know who doesn't recive my praise?

Ryuutaros. For the sake of accurately describing my feelign son him I've earned to speel his name right, but that in no way equates the level of respect for teh character I have for Momotaros, Kintaros or Yuuto/Deneb. he feels utterly and totally pointless, and it's like the show is relaising that. No last stand for him, no shining character moment of loyalty and bravado like Momo and Deneb. He seems like something completely added and not very well. I know he's been in the show forever, but he serves no crucial purpose. Even his colour doesn't make sense. Purple is such a weird colour alongside red, yellow and blue. Speaking of weird Imagin, hi Seig. Have't seen you for a while. You're still dumb. And YES! Vega Form, I thought I'd never see you again. And I still wish your eyes were yellow, but who cares.

Also, that dark Imagin that Kai barfed up, he's kind of a letdown. He's just a big brute. I shall call him Nonotaros, because he looks like Momo if Momo played in wet cement. (because life's too short man, wet cement is begging to be messed up) That said, fuck that final attack was pretty neat. Though I felt the Imagin's little prank not only busted the emotion a bit, but was kind of cruely out of character. (Also why does Seig get to join in on teh hetero man-touching? But, it made for a good end and of course, the best was Yuuto finally eating the shitcake or whatever. I can't believe how much fun those two were.

So that was Den-O. It was a hell of a ride, and I don't say that often. Overall, while I'll ptrobably go into more detail later, I'd say this ranks up evenly with OOO for me because holy shit I have never been so invested in these characters. Yuuto is the best secondary rider I've ever seen, and maybe one of my favourite Kamen Riders ever. That said, there were some big-ass flaws. Even with it's more metphysical approach to time travel this show is a headache that can't follow it's own rules clearly. A lot, and I mean a lot of really random shit happens for purely thematic reasons. Much like Eiji, Ryoutaro doesn't feel like the focus as much as the title charatcer should. Unlike Eiji, though, this feels intentional, and he still feels as useful as he needs to be, unlike how Eiji often felt almost superfluous to the show at times. He's no Shotaro and Philip, but those are two characters who came after Ryoutaro and had a much different goal as a character. And Ryoutaro's relationship with Momotaros was easily the highlight of the charatcer, the only downside being it was almost dwarfed by the much more engaging, yet sadly not often as developed, relationship between Deneb and Yuuto.

Now the big question: which series next? Back to Agito, or a new series?

Yeah...I hated Kai too...I'm glad to see that you enjoyed it overall. I think the reason Hana still exists is because the Owner said that the events of the past do not effect the singularity point in question. i.e. if they die in the past, they'll still remain alive in the future. It kind of makes sense if you go by the Tenth Doctor's explaination:

I also do agree with you that the characters are Den-O's strongest point.(and it was Shittake mushrooms that he was trying to get him to eat.)

EDIT: and to answer your question: the belt is just called the "Den-O Belt" they didn't start calling them "Drivers" until Decade.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Gremlin is a character that takes the shadow manipulator too far. There's having an agenda that requires you to stay hidden, but his actions are one step off from having no rhyme or reason.
I understand that he's supposed to be mysterious and all will be revealed by the end, but that doesn't change that I find him to be grating and a dull character (He might giggle constantly, but that doesn't make him any more interesting to watch).



The Den-O movies, in order, are I'm Born (Which occurs in series), Climax Deka (Post series crossover with Kamen Rider Kiva), and Final Countdown (The last Den-O movie to have Satou play Ryotaro).

There's also Cho Den-O and Decade, a crossover movie with Decade (It occurs during Decade's series).

The Cho Den-O Trilogy is the last of the Den-O movies* (Though, Episode Yellow is about Kaito/Diend, a Kamen Rider Decade character).

*Let's Go top bills Den-O, so it's technically a Den-O movie, too

Even though Ryotarou and Wataru barely interacted...

[Matrixbeast]

I'm glad you liked Den-O. It's a flawed series, but it's still so much fun.
I still think it's biggest flaw is that it's all fun wackiness for the first 2/3 of the show then spends the last chunk of episodes working in plots and story arcs and plot twists to have some sort of climax.

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

Even though Ryotarou and Wataru barely interacted...

Doesn't change the fact that it's the first canon cross over between Heisei Riders (Agito vs. Ryuki was HBV, right?)

[SPLIT LIP]

So before I go on to the next series, I'm gonna mow down those Den-O movies. First up is Climax Deka and, uh, the beginning is... interesting. Also, I feel like everyone should just go easy on the word "Evil Organization."

EDIT; Finished it, and I dunno, I didn't really like it? It seemed like it focused way to much on tehd etective angle, which would be okay... if this were a movie about W and had the smooth jazz music and cool thirties imagery and tone. But it's Den-O, and Den-O will be Den-O. Instead we get what can only be described as the most random-freaking-ass shift from Den-O along with some genuinely stupid things, like Momotaros using a shotgun. Wait, what? Okay, ignoring the complete and utter lunacy of that, isn't Momotaros a sword specialist and Ryuutaros a gun nut? Also, that entire plot with the cryign detective guy was pointless and annoying.

I cna only imagine how Kiva fans felt, though, considering he's barely freaking in it and has like, what, five lines? And to someone who knows nothing of Kiva... that hasn't changed. Kiva himself didn't do or say anything, he played a violin for a second which came out of nowhere, he just shows up at the end when his little bat guy flies around, then BOOM, dragon castle. (!?!?) And I though Denliner got crazy. And Negataros was a dumb villain. An inverted Momotaros (what kind of sense does that make) and sword form in purple. Holy shit man try to be less interesting, you're completely overshadowing all these other, much more interesting, characters.

[KyoryuGreen]

I watched the First episode of Black and thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm downloading some others to try at the moment. Agito and OOO.

[SPLIT LIP]

Den-O Final Countdown: Well, that was a thing. New Den-O is kind of lame. The design is okay, but it feels like the focus was misplaced. New Den-O was barely a factor in the movie overall. More time was spent with that Gaoh repaint. And really, for a form called "Skull form" and "Highjack form" they in no way evoke a skull or any kind of highjaking save that little doofy skull on the forehead.

I mean, Den-O's strength is it's characters, and they were better here than in Deka. So this is the last movie to have Ryoutaro's actor in it? Does he get recast or is the charatcer written out? What's Onishigamagaguy Warship? (For some reason it's attached to Final Countdown on youtube)