[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89

Yeah, more than we can say for that monstrosity of a movie.

Oh lord. I didn't even finish that movie...

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

It's just a good show. Season 1 is a lot more episodic, but it's all very good, with each Bending style matching a real world martial art.

I felt it was much too ambitious for a children's cartoon and most of it fell extremely flat. Especially Korra which tried to be a lot more dark and mature.

[ComicGuy89]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I felt it was much too ambitious for a children's cartoon and most of it fell extremely flat. Especially Korra which tried to be a lot more dark and mature.

Avatar: The Last Airbender was a good blend of dark and fun. Korra I admit sometimes is a bit too tense, but I liked their ambition.

I think you need to elaborate more on what "fell extremely flat". It's quite a sweeping statement.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89

Avatar: The Last Airbender was a good blend of dark and fun. Korra I admit sometimes is a bit too tense, but I liked their ambition.

I think you need to elaborate more on what "fell extremely flat". It's quite a sweeping statement.

Just...all of it. Due to the extreme limitations on children's broadcasting in the US you have to make pretty huge changes to your show to tell your story, without the limitations feeling obvious and holding the show back.

Avatar and Korra just wanted to tell a straight shounen style anime story and ran head first into every brick wall that American Censorship put in front of them.

Which is, why I said, it felt like a 4kids dub of a much better show, rather than an epic original cartoon.

[ComicGuy89]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Just...all of it. Due to the extreme limitations on children's broadcasting in the US you have to make pretty huge changes to your show to tell your story, without the limitations feeling obvious and holding the show back.

Avatar and Korra just wanted to tell a straight shounen style anime story and ran head first into every brick wall that American Censorship put in front of them.

Which is, why I said, it felt like a 4kids dub of a much better show, rather than an epic original cartoon.

But everything mature they wanted to convey was depicted well enough. I can't think of any moments that would have benefited from laxer censorship, anything more than portrayed and it'll feel a bit gratuitous.

Could you describe some of these examples?

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89

But everything mature they wanted to convey was depicted well enough. I can't think of any moments that would have benefited from laxer censorship, anything more than portrayed and it'll feel a bit gratuitous.

Could you describe some of these examples?

Not really in any great detail I gave up on Avatar years ago when I was lead in by the hype and found an extremely poor mans anime for my trouble.

I tried again with Korra when everyone jumped on the hype train again, but once again I just couldn't get into it. It was a very adult story, about like politics, racism, radicalism, love, family and anarchy and so on but so compressed and processed to comply with a child audience that it had no real stakes or tension or any real reason to watch it.

I will admit that Korra had some impressive action sequences, with some stunning animation. But dramatic execution style sequences don't mean much if all is really happen is your getting your forehead tapped and losing your powers.

[Matrixbeast]

"All of it" is quite the broad statement.

I'd honestly give it another chance, most especially considering it blows most anime out of the water by virtue of not being shit.

Season 1 of Avatar is episodic, but it improves in story and pacing with season 2.

[ComicGuy89]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Not really in any great detail I gave up on Avatar years ago when I was lead in by the hype and found an extremely poor mans anime for my trouble.

I tried again with Korra when everyone jumped on the hype train again, but once again I just couldn't get into it. It was a very adult story, about like politics, racism, radicalism, love, family and anarchy and so on but so compressed and processed to comply with a child audience that it had no real stakes or tension or any real reason to watch it.

I will admit that Korra had some impressive action sequences, with some stunning animation. But dramatic execution style sequences don't mean much if all is really happen is your getting your forehead tapped and losing your powers.

Korra did suffer a bit from having too few episodes to tell its story. They originally thought they had to fit everything in 13 episodes, so there wasn't enough room. Hopefully future Korra episodes get to play about with it more.

I may be wrong, but I think you were misled by the hype. Avatar is one of the greatest examples of Western Animation, in my opinion, but it is still Western Animation. It was never meant to be a solely adult story any more than Justice League, Batman TAS, Young Justice, or any number of cartoons that similarly aim higher than the usual stuff. It is meant ultimately to entertain children.

Just like how Kamen Rider fans should stop promoting Kamen Rider as an adult TV show, Avatar fans would do well to stop the anime comparisons. It may share aesthetic similarities with anime, but it is definitely not anime in tone or feel.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

"All of it" is quite the broad statement.

I'd honestly give it another chance, most especially considering it blows most anime out of the water by virtue of not being shit.

Season 1 of Avatar is episodic, but it improves in story and pacing with season 2.

While I think he has already made up his mind on liking the show, I must agree that "all of it" is really a broad statement. Too sweeping.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89

Korra did suffer a bit from having too few episodes to tell its story. They originally thought they had to fit everything in 13 episodes, so there wasn't enough room. Hopefully future Korra episodes get to play about with it more.

I may be wrong, but I think you were misled by the hype. Avatar is one of the greatest examples of Western Animation, in my opinion, but it is still Western Animation. It was never meant to be a solely adult story any more than Justice League, Batman TAS, Young Justice, or any number of cartoons that similarly aim higher than the usual stuff. It is meant ultimately to entertain children

Yeah but DC animation gets away with hell of a lot more than Avatar has. DC animation allows characters to die, allows characters to get hurt, allows consequence, adult themes, romance. I'd say they were adult stories and did their best to avoid the censorship walls. Something I feel Avatar never achieved, and Korra did better, but still missed the mark.

[Matrixbeast]

I'm not gonna force him to rewatch it if he doesn't like it.

I just feel it's curious to drop the series at a shallow level.