[Matrixbeast]

Hence, my original statement (Letting Gates go into Despair to feed Beast) still stands.

[Den-O]

I doubt a Wizard can enter the underworld of a person unless the Phantom is raging. Which begs the question, why did they propose going into to Beast to stop Chimera? Chimera isn't rampaging so they can't go in right? Or if Haruto actually can enter a gate when the Phantom is still dormant why not do that for all gates? Either way the logic is flawed.

[Blade Raider]

Another flaw of the show. It doesn't explain things such as this and it's had plenty of time to do so.

If I had to guess, I would say it has somethinmg to do with the Engage rings. Haruto may have a limited amount of these rings or maybe the rings feed off his mana even after the Phantom is under control. Eitherway, he wouldn't want to overuse them. Of course, that's just speculating and that's all we really can do at this point.

[ShockerCon]

Regarding using Engage on gates before the fall into despair: I just think Haruto has only so many Engage rings. Whenever someone despairs they get one, and every main-ish character gets one by default.

It seems to me that things are going back to the status quota in this episode. What with the gate getting all the focus and tragic back story.

And I don't see your guys' problem; I loved Land Dragon's shade of yellow!

[ZeoRangerV]

Do you know what was the best part of this episode? A semi-dramatic transformation without a "Shabadoobie touch to henshin" getting in the way.

Was a good episode though - I have to agree about the shade of yellow for Land Dragon's coat, but then I find Land the most underwhelming of the four dragon forms anyway. Chimera is awesome, will definitely have to pick up the DX toy of that.

[chasesinister]

I liked Fedora Phantoms vantage point when he was watching Wizard fight. And Koyomi must have been really into the fight to not notice the phantom drop in behind her and skip merrily away.

[Barricade64]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

I doubt a Wizard can enter the underworld of a person unless the Phantom is raging. Which begs the question, why did they propose going into to Beast to stop Chimera? Chimera isn't rampaging so they can't go in right? Or if Haruto actually can enter a gate when the Phantom is still dormant why not do that for all gates? Either way the logic is flawed.

I think it's more the Phantoms in the Gates haven't been born, for lack of a better term. Dragon and Chimera already fully exist, they just have symbiotic relationships with their hosts.

[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by Barricade64

I think it's more the Phantoms in the Gates haven't been born, for lack of a better term. Dragon and Chimera already fully exist, they just have symbiotic relationships with their hosts.

That...that actually makes sense.

[Matrixbeast]

Yeah. Let's go with that. Make things a lot less confusing.

[Megabattimus]

Man, it feels so good to be actually able to participate in a Wizard episode discussion, since I finally finished catching up a couple of days ago.

Anyways, I thought the episode was pretty solid. I really feel like Beast is the thing the show needed, because to me; the show has really improved since he showed up. It now feels like something more than just another Kamen Rider show; it now actually has an identity of it's own.

Really like that they've basically resolved the conflict of Kosuke needing to eat Phantoms in order to survive, in a way that allows him to aid Haruto in his fight; rather than in a way where he's constantly getting in Haruto's way.

Also liked the appearance of Land Dragon, really like his design. Also like how he can control gravity. Really curious what Haruto's final form is gonna look like now, or at least the next step to it; since that will probably be showing up in about 10-15 episodes, going off the way it went in W (the only Kamen Rider show I've finished at the moment).

The only problem with this episode I had? I'm basically all in for buying a Beast Driver and his Figuart when it gets made down the line.