[Locke]

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No it wasn't.

Seriously, be honest, a "killer shadow" isn't anywhere close to the regular silliness of Toku. Also it wasn't a killer shadow. If anything it was like fear gas. (the big bad is the terror dopant, and he releases that stuff to, well, cause fear in his enemies)

CGI aside (because yeah, W had some terrible early CGI, mostly because of how much it was used. Something I've come to realise carried over from Decade it seems) that's a complete crock of bull. W's fights scenes are awesome. The actual martial arts verses FX attacks is awesome, and the two are blended really well. The fights also happen logically and fit in with the plot.

In just about every KR series I've watched there's been a certain disconnect between the fight scenes and drama. Den-O and Agito had this pretty prominently. The heroes are always far away from the enemy or action literally until it's time to fight, with Den-O literally being dropped off and Agito having nothing at all to do with the plot until he needed to fight. W actually had the heroes be in the plot. The investigation side of things meant that the heroes were always mixed right in with the enemy and their motives, rather than gardening half the episode or lazing around in a trian car or diner.

I'm not saying you have to like it, but your reasons for disliking it are pretty flimsy, especially when you compare it to other toku, which just kind of makes your arguement fall apart when W does all these Toku tropes better than how they usually are.


Really, because how is saving lives and fighting monsters not superhero stuff?

Again, since you want to, compared to past series W's more of a superhero than most. Specifically, he's a very Batman-style superhero. He fully focuses on the enemy and problem, devoting all his effort to it and being almost constantly "on the trail," instead of just standing around talking about the problem, or not, until it's time to fight.

No it wasn't? Wasn't what?

And I meant his suit design, one of the least threatening looking villains ever, he looked absolutely ridiculous.

Well awesome in your opinion, I thought the fight choreography was really bad, it had no sense of motion and no fluidity, it was more akin to the brawling of an 80s action film than the kind of martial arts stunts I've seen elsewhere.

I'm not much of a KR guy so I can't really comment on others but all other Toku I've watched the heroes of the show are specifically designed to fight the monsters, here the heroes just kinda stumbled into their fights.

Because the life saving and monster fighting was a very small portion of the show. I would have liked more action, less Scooby Doo.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

No it wasn't? Wasn't what?

And I meant his suit design, one of the least threatening looking villains ever, he looked absolutely ridiculous.

Well awesome in your opinion, I thought the fight choreography was really bad, it had no sense of motion and no fluidity, it was more akin to the brawling of an 80s action film than the kind of martial arts stunts I've seen elsewhere.

I'm not much of a KR guy so I can't really comment on others but all other Toku I've watched the heroes of the show are specifically designed to fight the monsters, here the heroes just kinda stumbled into their fights.

Because the life saving and monster fighting was a very small portion of the show. I would have liked more action, less Scooby Doo.

Kamen Rider W gets better as it goes along. I was hooked from the beginning, and it only got better (until the very last episode, which felt tacked on). If you don't like it, that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to judge it on the first 13-14 episodes.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Locke

No it wasn't? Wasn't what?

The killer shadow.

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And I meant his suit design, one of the least threatening looking villains ever, he looked absolutely ridiculous.

Oh pfft, why didn't you just say so? Yeah, he does look kinda silly, because of his headdress. (which does something pretty cool, though) But the final villain design is incredible, so I can forgive him.

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Well awesome in your opinion, I thought the fight choreography was really bad, it had no sense of motion and no fluidity, it was more akin to the brawling of an 80s action film than the kind of martial arts stunts I've seen elsewhere.

The fact that he used more than two different moves already puts him above most Toku.

And unlike most series, the gimmick really improves the fight scenes. The switching of halves and mixing of powers really makes the fight scenes fun to watch in a way I can't describe because I can't honestly believe anyone couldn't understand themselves.

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I'm not much of a KR guy so I can't really comment on others but all other Toku I've watched the heroes of the show are specifically designed to fight the monsters, here the heroes just kinda stumbled into their fights.

Yeah, that's BS. I don't even see how you could say W "stumbles" into fights so I can't even argue it because it, well, nonsense.

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Because the life saving and monster fighting was a very small portion of the show. I would have liked more action, less Scooby Doo.

Again, this is just false. W has just as much action as any given series. It has to, because they're always getting themselves in trouble because of the so-called "Scooby-Doo." Yeah, maybe if Scooby-Doo turned into Bruce Lee every time old man Wilken's showed up dressed as Leatherface.

And again, better than the heroes just sort of hanging around when not fighting.

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Originally Posted by KRX

Kamen Rider W gets better as it goes along. I was hooked from the beginning, and it only got better (until the very last episode, which felt tacked on). If you don't like it, that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to judge it on the first 13-14 episodes.

Eh, I think that's fair. Again, I'm not saying he has to like it, or watch it. (why waste time watching something you don't like?) But his reasons are kind of BS. Calling it Scooby-Doo and saying the hero "stumbles" into battle is, well, nonsense and I'm sure he knows it.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by KRX

Kamen Rider W gets better as it goes along. I was hooked from the beginning, and it only got better (until the very last episode, which felt tacked on). If you don't like it, that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to judge it on the first 13-14 episodes.

That is over quarter of the series, enough time for a trilogy of films, how is that not enough to judge the series? If they can't get me hooked in that amount of time there is no hope.

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

The killer shadow.

Oh pfft, why didn't you just say so? Yeah, he does look kinda silly, because of his headdress. (which does something pretty cool, though) But the final villain design is incredible, so I can forgive him.

The fact that he used more than two different moves already puts him above most Toku.

And unlike most series, the gimmick really improves the fight scenes. The switching of halves and mixing of powers really makes the fight scenes fun to watch in a way I can't describe because I can't honestly believe anyone couldn't understand themselves.

Yeah, that's BS. I don't even see how you could say W "stumbles" into fights so I can't even argue it because it, well, nonsense.

Again, this is just false. W has just as much action as any given series. It has to, because they're always getting themselves in trouble because of the so-called "Scooby-Doo." Yeah, maybe if Scooby-Doo turned into Bruce Lee every time old man Wilken's showed up dressed as Leatherface.

And again, better than the heroes just sort of hanging around when not fighting.

Eh, I think that's fair. Again, I'm not saying he has to like it, or watch it (why waste time watching something you don't like?) But he reasons are kind of BS.

I hope it was all would imply all of him, I guess not.

I will admit after trying out Kiva, I will at least give it to W and its gimmick. Both it, and Wizard, manage to be a lot more interesting by having a range of different moves. I tried to get into Kiva but after the fifth episode I'd seen the same fight scene about ten times.

I don't see how it is nonsense? In that point of the series I got to, it required plot convenience and a huge amount of forced writing to get W into the action. It was very weakly written.

Wizard has had heaps more action than W had so far.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

That is over quarter of the series, enough time for a trilogy of films, how is that not enough to judge the series? If they can't get me hooked in that amount of time there is no hope.

That's your opinion, and I can respect that. Personally, I like to see things through until the end.

[Locke]

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That's your opinion, and I can respect that. Personally, I like to see things through until the end.

I never see the point in watching something you dislike all the way, there has to be a moment where you say enough is enough.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Locke

That is over quarter of the series, enough time for a trilogy of films, how is that not enough to judge the series? If they can't get me hooked in that amount of time there is no hope.

No arguement here. I suffered through twenty episodes of Kabuto, and nearly all of Agito because people told me "they get better."

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I will admit after trying out Kiva, I will at least give it to W and its gimmick. Both it, and Wizard, manage to be a lot more interesting by having a range of different moves. I tried to get into Kiva but after the fifth episode I'd seen the same fight scene about ten times.

I never watched Kiva. Wasn't my thing.

That's all I really said about it.

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I don't see how it is nonsense? In that point of the series I got to, it required plot convenience and a huge amount of forced writing to get W into the action. It was very weakly written.

It wasn't, though. W's job is to track down and fight dopants. That's the premise of the show.

That was the Sweets arc, wasn't it? That's when Terror made his big-headed debut and Akiko went undercover to expose the Dopant? W was scoping the mansion the whole time, knowing a Dopant was there. How the hell is him waiting for the dopant and thus fighting it once it revealed itself contrived when that's, ugh... bro, you're not making a whole lot of sense here. I get why you'd think the villain looked silly (because he did, and stuff happens that sort of, I guess explains that? Again I don't want to spoil in case anybody else is watching W and reads here) and some shit, but a lot of what you're saying just doesn't hold up, especially with your "All the otehr Toku I've seen." I mean, let's just say for the sake of your arguement it's true, maybe thats not a bad thing? Maybe when there's so much out there that's so similar, something different is refreshing and cool?

Again, you don't have to like it, but not even being able to understand why anyone would like a show about a hero who solves crimes and beats his enemies without just punching them a lot and focuses on helping people as much as he does fighting badguys, that seems a bit narrow-minded.

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Wizard has had heaps more action than W had so far.

Good for Wizard.

However it sounds as though the plot has taken a bit of hit.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I never see the point in watching something you dislike all the way, there has to be a moment where you say enough is enough.

In all honesty, I don't always adhere to that belief.

[SPLIT LIP]

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In all honesty, I don't always adhere to that belief.

That really should be used only if someone has reservations.

Like if they say "oh I like this show's premise/characters/specific aspect but it's not that good" then maybe I'd recommend sticking it out. But if they say "I don't really like this/this isn't for me." Well, watching the whole thing won't change that.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

That was the Sweets arc, wasn't it? That's when Terror made his big-headed debut and Akiko went undercover to expose the Dopant? W was scoping the mansion the whole time, knowing a Dopant was there. How the hell is him waiting for the dopant and thus fighting it once it revealed itself contrived when that's, ugh... bro, you're not making a whole lot of sense here. I get why you'd think the villain looked silly (because he did, and stuff happens that sort of, I guess explains that? Again I don't want to spoil in case anybody else is watching W and reads here) and some shit, but a lot of what you're saying just doesn't hold up, especially with your "All the otehr Toku I've seen." I mean, let's just say for the sake of your arguement it's true, maybe thats not a bad thing? Maybe when there's so much out there that's so similar, something different is refreshing and cool?

Again, you don't have to like it, but not even being able to understand why anyone would like a show about a hero who solves crimes and beats his enemies without just punching them a lot and focuses on helping people as much as he does fighting badguys, that seems a bit narrow-minded.

Because at that point in the series, they were only just stumbling across who was behind the Memory selling on the streets that was turning people into Dopants. The first ten or so episodes were largely completely throw away and as stuff started to come together I just couldn't be bothered any more.

Rescue Force is my kind of different, otherwise I'll stick with my focused Toku.

Huh? I never said you can't like it, I'm just saying this is my reasoning for disliking it, whether you wanna call it BS or not.