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#411 |
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Well, as promised at the end of that commentary, I am back a few hours later with this.
Ridewatch Playlist: Double Helping, 9 Years Apart Mix As the title doesn’t really indicate, we’re splitting it in two this time, with the first half being dedicated to Kuuga. “Super transform with the ancient belt. The Rider protecting smiles is… Kuuga” And for a new feature, since there isn’t an immediately obvious origin for the prefixes watches for some series, including Kuuga have (at least not compared to the Build watch’s “Voltech”, or the Ghost watch’s “Omega”), I thought I’d fill in the origin where necessary. To start off, Mighty = from “Mighty Kick” This stagnant era began at this, Kamen Rider Kuuga “The power of lightning strikes brings forth the black body. Kuuga Amazing Mighty” Amazing = from “Amazing Mighty Kick” And since I’ve seen people say this is more of a final form than the actual final form (mostly among people not fond of Kuuga), I thought I’d use said actual final form’s theme, Kyuukyoku no Yami “The ultimate power, the fated warrior. Kuuga, Ultimate Form” Kyukyoku = from “Kyukyoku Punch/Kyukyoku Kick” And since this appears near the end of the show, I went with something else that appears exclusively at the end of the show, Aoizora ni Naru And now, for the unreleased list, with no winners for this part of the list. 1. Kamen Rider Kuuga (Growing Form) 2. Kamen Rider Kuuga (Dragon Form) 3. Kamen Rider Kuuga (Pegasus Form) 4. Kamen Rider Kuuga (Titan Form) 5. Kamen Rider Kuuga (Rising Mighty) 6. Kamen Rider Kuuga (Rising Dragon) 7. Kamen Rider Kuuga (Rising Pegasus) 8. Kamen Rider Kuuga (Rising Titan) And now for part 2, the W part. “Fighting with the power of Memories, the two-in-one detective Rider is… W” And here, I went with the obvious choice: W-B-X! W-Boiled-Xtreme “The Fang Memory is an attacking enhancement, the Roaring W FangJoker” “The Earth’s memory brings two into one. The two-in-one ultimate warrior, W Xtreme” And this was another no-brainer Extreme Dream “The pitch-black trump card. The hard-boiled Rider is Joker” “Tear it up. The red bike Rider is Accel” And here I went with his theme song, Leave All Behind “Tear everything up. Speed at its zenith, Accel Trial” “Futo’s defender and legendary warrior is Skull” How can you go wrong with a solemn video showing Skull punching out Museum grunts? Nobody’s Perfect “Now, enjoy your hell. The white, vengeful Rider is… Eternal” And here, I went with the theme for the movie he was in, W And now for their unreleased list, for which I can confirm Eternal was winner #6 Kamen Rider W (CycloneMetal) Kamen Rider W (CycloneTrigger) Kamen Rider W (HeatJoker) Kamen Rider W (HeatMetal) Kamen Rider W (HeatTrigger) Kamen Rider W (LunaJoker) Kamen Rider W (LunaMetal) Kamen Rider W (LunaTrigger) Kamen Rider W (CycloneAccelXtreme) Kamen Rider W (CycloneJokerGoldXtreme) Kamen Rider W (CycloneCyclone) Kamen Rider W (JokerJoker) Kamen Rider Skull Crystal And now for the Another Rider compare and contrast: triple mix. Shotaro and Philip are a duo of detectives who work to prevent people making the city’s people cry. Another W is a complete enigma (unless Shirakura gets the money and chance to introduce the man behind the three eyes) who aids Tid in launching a mass attack of Phase 2 grunts on the city, effectively making its people cry. Design wise, he’s primarily based on Baron Asura from Mazinger Z, while his stitched together body has Nazca-esque details on the “Cyclone” half, hinting at Phillip being part of Museum’s leading family. For Another Den-O, Ryotaro is mostly a spineless pushover, but he’s one who can’t hesitate to do the right thing, and enters a mutual pact to let Momotaros fight for his benefit. Ataru on the other hand, is a defeatist who is all too willing to give up on helping others in need and gets forcibly hijacked by the Den-O Anotherwatch. Design wise, while inspired by the bad guy from a Momotaro-based manga, does fit with the Imagin’s folktale motif by being based off the traditional depiction of the devil in western culture. And finally, Godai is the man who started the Heisei era, ushering in a new age of Kamen Riders, and is dedicated to making everyone smile. Tid on the other hand is looking to bring an end to the Heisei era before it begins and his main quote is “I should be the only Rider! I’m the only one who gets to smile!”, which sums up the rest of the comparison. Design wise, aside from having no thumbs (something Fish can explain the significance of), Another Kuuga’s bigger, more monstrous appearance is based off the Grongi from the Kuuga manga, which are basically “bigger and more monstrous”, as a design philosophy. Last edited by Androzani84; 08-21-2025 at 07:12 AM.. |
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#412 |
The Immortal King Tasty
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Every diner you've ever been to.
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Heisei... Gene... wait a second...
Well I mean, I did *watch* the movie! Several times, even! But uh, I'm pretty sure I never wrote a proper thing for it at any point, so no old posts this time. I've never been a ~huge~ fan of this one, but I definitely respect what it's going for, and like a lot of Rider movies, I found myself enjoying it way more on repeat viewings. I definitely don't hate the idea of a Kamen Rider movie with this kind of meta plot, and there are certainly some very good ideas in here. For example, the one thing that always sticks out in mind most about this movie isn't even any of the big fanservice (although it was great seeing Ryoutarou and hearing bits of Sahashi's Kuuga soundtrack in the score), but how perfect it was that Build happened to be the previous Rider, because Sento Kiryuu is already a fictional person in-universe -- a made up identity cast in the role of Kamen Rider -- so he's basically the ideal guy to bounce back from being told he's not real, because it wouldn't be the first time that's happened to him. It's a movie that's held back by quite a few things too, but you can see the effort put into it shining through, I think. Kinda wish I'd watched it again more recently, so I could actually say something more detailed than that! Quote:
Considering the not insignificant role of Rider merchandise in this film, this is maybe as good a spot as any to mention this: I had the thought lately that I really like how basically any figure made of Kuuga is obligated to come with a thumbs-up hand? Like, obviously plenty of Riders have their signature gestures, but a guy like Zi-O just wants to let you know he's based on a clock. It's so perfect for Yuusuke's character that a symbol of positivity and encouragement is considered such a mandatory accessory. Really goes to show how iconic it is, and how much Kuuga strived to be a hero show about more than just fighting. So yeah, a version of Kuuga that can't do that is definitely quite the corruption of the one we know and love.
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#413 |
Echoing Oni
Join Date: Jan 2012
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Oh man, I just realized something. Possibly the single biggest missed opportunity of Zi-O is that they didn’t get Ryouta Murai to play Another Kuuga.
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#414 |
take me to space
Join Date: Sep 2017
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Of all the movies that end with gathering a whole lot of suits and ending in that quarry, Heisei Generations Forever is definitely my favourite of the whole lot. The story has a lot more heart than similar films before it (which is to say it actually has pathos as opposed to being completely souless), it honestly reads as a really nice sort of final extra chapter for Sento and Banjou (until the New World movies came and ruined that but whatever), and that final sequence at the end with the twenty rider kicks? One of my absolute favourite scenes across the franchise and hit upon all of my nostalgia buttons perfectly.
I even love the credits sequence. The medley of all the theme songs is cool enough, but all the really great choices of images they used to quickly represent each season is really fun to see. Special shout-out to the one of Shotaro and Philip smiling at each other... and of Gaim skewering Baron! Last edited by FreshToku; 03-28-2022 at 08:00 AM.. |
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#415 |
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Join Date: Jan 2020
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I'm not sure if the plot of Kuuga getting erased from existence quite explained away the connection between the actual Rider world and the real world or if the plot properly reckoned with the characters having to deal with the fact that their from a TV show or the actual metaphysics or logic behind it...but it all ultimately served the plot well.
I love how the first clue about the time travel aspect of the movie is that the older brother thinks Kuuga's about to premier and his younger brother goes "oh wow, I didn't expect a kid that age to actually know about Kuuga!" Another W looked nice. I wish they were able to come up with something more poignant for W as a tribute, but there was enough going on in the movie as is. Another Den-O was cool but I was really confused as to what the Imagin's actual goal in this was because we're so used to Imagin just using humans other than the few good ones that seeing a random Imagin actually trying to help the human he contracted with no drawbacks was kind of surreal. Like, was he using this as a way to get in with the Denliner crew or something? Of a list of Main Riders who people didn't expect to ever see again in a Rider show or movie, Takeru Satoh is definitely up there. They even had him actually saying Urataros' lines instead of it just being Urataros so we could hear his voice again (and he gets to actually play a Taro by himself for the first time). And, y'know, him and Momotaros sharing a scene together after so long and it being a moment that means so much from both an in-universe and Meta level. So I was pretty happy with how they handled it. There's something so poignant about a movie that talks so much about the fandoms' love and history with Kamen Rider and why it means so much to them that the Riders don't just randomly show up for their expected cameos but because the kids who literally grew up with them call out to them to save them and they show up. And you have the adult guy going "man, wouldn't it be nice if Kuuga showed up?" and then his inner child calls forth Kuuga. And Den-O shows up literally singing his theme song which is so Den-O I'm surprised it took them this long to actually do that. I do appreciate that they at least used recorded dialogue for the returning Riders even if it wasn't anything "new," so unlike with stuff where you had seiyuu try to imitate the Riders and it sounding off it at least carries the illussion that it's really them even if the actors weren't involved. I think the only actors that recorded anything new were Ryuki, Agito, and Decade? Although they were so generic I'm not sure how true that is. I love how everybody rides into the Kamen Rider Quarry on their bikes, just to remind you that, no matter how little screentime the bikes get these days, Kamen Riders ride bikes. Well, except Ryuki. And Drive. And Hibiki who forgets his bike (although I guess because of executive meddling we don't acknowledge it I guess?). I liked the Kuuga Armor being more sleek and streamlined compared to the other Rider Armors. That's what the W Armor is for! Another Kuuga is basically a giant CGI Rider Monster like Core, but I feel like it somehow worked better in terms of what a monstrous version of Kuuga would turn into. I love the All Heisei Rider Kick in this movie because, unlike the one in All Riders vs Dai-Shocker, the Kicks were all show-accurate. And they even came up with Rider Kicks for Den-O Sword Form and Hibiki (I think the only time Sword Form ever used a Rider Kick as a legit finisher was in the Cho Den-O movie and it wasn't a traditional flying kick, and Hibiki never used a Rider Kick for a finisher). And the Triple Rider Kick with Build, Zi-O, and Kuuga really brought it all together. I just loved seeing the brothers getting to grow up with every Heisei Rider together. |
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#416 |
Kaiju or Hero?
Join Date: Jan 2021
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Episode 15 can wait; we're going to talk about Heisei Generations: Forever!
I. Love. This. Movie. It's great, in so many ways. It's a love letter to all Kamen Rider fans, a fantastic meta story, and for the most part, a good tribute to Zi-O's predecessors. Another Den-O is probably my favorite Another Rider, Another W is pretty neat too, one detail I like about him is that the original Cyclone Joker is a part of it, almost like a Frankenstein-esque three-in-one, where Cyclone and Joker are split down the middle by another two-in-one monster tearing through. Another Kuuga is pretty much just another big bad CGI monster boss, but the idea that it's the first Heisei Rider, I like to think that because it's the progenitor of the Heisei Era of Riders, it's grown to become a monster in its own league, moreso than it's peers. The meta references are also pretty fun, like Grease being mixed with the guy he played in Kiva (I didn't watch Kiva, hence my statement), or people thinking the Build Riders are part of a Hero Show. This even works for the big part where the monsters from their seasons attack the city, leaving people to believe their world is under attack by a foreign invader, really adds weight to the film's conflict and setting, and it's just fantastic. While I do agree this is, much like the Decade X Den-O crossover film, this does have a lot more to do with Den-O than Zi-O and Build (haven't seen Den-O yet), but you know what? that's fine. This was still a fun movie, which I enjoyed immensely, especially the Build Boys, Sento and Ryuga. Unfortunately, I wish they did a better job on the W tribute, since it felt a bit like an afterthought here, but overall, it wasn't the worst way they could have honored W. But boy, do I enjoy that Re:Build Medley. It's just so good! Could it have been better and included more quips from the openings? Yes. But I still enjoyed it. We may not have gotten to see as many Legend Rider Appearances (Apparently W's Phillip, Kabuto's Tendou, and Kiva's Wataru were all free, and some even did kind of wish they could have appeared, and Drive's Tomari wished he could have been in Heisei Gen Final if I remember right, then again, I could be wrong on all this), but honestly, I think if they added too many, they might have detracted the plot. So, in the end, only the W tribute drew the short straw. But hey, Ryoutaro is still a big deal in this case, and while it wasn't too much, it was still nice to see him. But in the end, this movie certainly ended the year with a bang, and I love it for that. |
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#417 |
Warrior of Delusions!
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Yeah, I think I like the concept of HGFinal more than I do the movie itself. Idk, when I was watching it, it felt very moody, which I guess makes sense when Sougo is finding out he was created to sell children little bleepy watch toys, and the mechanics of what are going on make as much sense as everything else in Zi-O (So if Kamen Rider is fictional, how can fictional Imagin magic rewrite the real world, huh?) Add to that how the movie feels disjointed, and large parts of it drag.
That said, I don't think this is a bad flick? The atmosphere isn't for me, but the scene at the end, where all the past Kamen Riders come back, as people recall when they fell in love with this dorky show about bugmen saving people from evil? Probably my favourite reason for ever for why we're getting an all-suits battle. This isn't some convoluted Tsukasa plan, or the latest SuperDai-Shocker multiverse schme, this is people calling on their love for heroes and bringing them too life. As someone who's been into the franchise for 10 years now, and had some great times through it all, it just feels good, ya know? |
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#418 |
The Immortal King Tasty
Join Date: Jan 2012
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Heisei Generations Forever) I remembered I wanted to talk about how much I love the Den-O scene in this movie, and the sense of deja vu I was getting thinking of what I wanted to say led me to also remember I have said this stuff before. Sometimes it's kind of hard to find threads for movies and stuff, since we don't have any consistent format for that on the forum, which means I never know if I should be digging through old thread titles or just through the general "what are you watching" thread, and-- you know, this isn't really that important. I don't want to make it sound like this is work for me, because it's the exact opposite. Anyways, that scene with Ryoutarou! I still really do love everything about it, but it's that last line from Momotaros that clinches it for me. You might remember that in my rant about Chou Super Hero Taisen, I took an outdated potshot at how Toei never gets Takeru Satoh back, frustrated with how they keep pretending Momotaros by himself is Den-O, and that made that moment in this movie so very cathartic for me. Like, yeah, how could you ever forget Ryoutarou? That dude is the coolest, just like the show he came from, and that's why these rainbow-colored cartoon goofballs haven't stopped showing up in stuff since 2007. It's such a touching little tribute to one of Rider's biggest success stories in the middle of a film that was already doing a pretty dang solid job paying tribute to Kamen Rider, and it was wonderful to see.
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Some guy. I'm alright.
Join Date: Sep 2019
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Androzani is now the main character of this thread. Anyone who listens to the end of the commentary track will understand.
Speaking of that, recording it was a ton of fun! Lemme know if you ever wanna do any more! Anyway, this movie. Man, even as someone who's yet to see Build or Den-O(outside of like 2 movies), I liked it alot. It was so smart of them, in knowing that there was no way they could get literally everyone back, to instead focus the story elsewhere. Like, yeah, it's really obvious that they were banking on getting certain characters to come back(Woz can just suddenly access the Planet Library out of nowhere), it really does feel like they put in as much effort as they possibly could. I'm also so glad that, in a movie discussing just how important fandom can be to people, that the movie never once felt insulting. Because believe me, I've seen examples! Ataru and Shingo's' relationship, and how Kamen Rider is something that helps to enhance and strengthen their bond, was really sweet, and goes to show just how powerful common interests between people can be. And of course, the action is top notch. Everyone's already mentioned how awesome the All Rider Kick is, but the thing that really sold it for me was that they weren't lazy about it. They so could've easily just had all 20 Riders jump forward at once and turn into beams of light or whatever, but no! There was a flow, great choreography, and very much an attention to detail in what Riders they had pair up during each set of kicks. Kuuga, Build, and Zi-O being the finisher is of course the biggest highlight(as it should be), but that bit with Kiva and Wizard? Hoo man, that was killer. And hey, speaking of Kuuga, wanna guess who my favorite character from that was? ![]() Kaoru Ichijo, the Secondary Rider of the show! I say that, but really, you kinda can't separate Ichijo from Yusuke in my mind. One has to come with the other. Their growing friendship over the course of the season was one of the many, many reasons that Kuuga not only instantly became my favorite Rider show, but also one of my all time favorite Toku. But, if I have to only choose one? I'll go with Ichijo, because whenever the focus was on him was when I felt the show's' atmosphere and storytelling was absolutely top notch("Reality" being an obvious choice). So happy that we got official subs via SHOUT, and that said subs are such high quality. Here's to hoping for a physical release in the future that lets us turn the Grongi subtitles on and off. Oh, and because I know Name will do it if I don't...
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Kamen Ride Or Die
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Had a monster of a day at work today, what with the store's internet being out since Friday and spending all day on the phone with AT&T, so I'm a little late to everyone's feedback and thoughts. Sorry! Let's see what we've got!
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It's the whole "regaining belief in the things you threw away because you deemed it to be childish and embracing that they give you hope/strength", which I usually enjoy, but something about the way it's done just falls flat for me. Maybe because how long it dragged?
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Den-O! Of course it's Den-O! If you're going to do a movie about how memories keep things alive forevermore, it has to be Den-O! We get to see all the Imagins, the Owner, the Denliner, as well as....Ryotaro! Man I knew he was in this movie, but actually seeing him just hits different.
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For example, the one thing that always sticks out in mind most about this movie isn't even any of the big fanservice (although it was great seeing Ryoutarou and hearing bits of Sahashi's Kuuga soundtrack in the score), but how perfect it was that Build happened to be the previous Rider, because Sento Kiryuu is already a fictional person in-universe -- a made up identity cast in the role of Kamen Rider -- so he's basically the ideal guy to bounce back from being told he's not real, because it wouldn't be the first time that's happened to him.
Hell, Sento's perfect for this as a Kamen Rider character and a Kamen Rider writer! Quote:
DreamSword got so mad when I said that Onodera was this movie's Kuuga. So mad! Quote:
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Another Kuuga is pretty much just another big bad CGI monster boss, but the idea that it's the first Heisei Rider, I like to think that because it's the progenitor of the Heisei Era of Riders, it's grown to become a monster in its own league, moreso than it's peers.
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While I do agree this is, much like the Decade X Den-O crossover film, this does have a lot more to do with Den-O than Zi-O and Build (haven't seen Den-O yet), but you know what? that's fine. This was still a fun movie, which I enjoyed immensely, especially the Build Boys, Sento and Ryuga.
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The atmosphere isn't for me, but the scene at the end, where all the past Kamen Riders come back, as people recall when they fell in love with this dorky show about bugmen saving people from evil? Probably my favourite reason for ever for why we're getting an all-suits battle. This isn't some convoluted Tsukasa plan, or the latest SuperDai-Shocker multiverse schme, this is people calling on their love for heroes and bringing them too life. As someone who's been into the franchise for 10 years now, and had some great times through it all, it just feels good, ya know?
Honestly, though, yeah. It's a great moment, seeing fans of all ages use their happy memories of Kamen Rider to save the day. Very sweet message. Quote:
Anyways, that scene with Ryoutarou! I still really do love everything about it, but it's that last line from Momotaros that clinches it for me. You might remember that in my rant about Chou Super Hero Taisen, I took an outdated potshot at how Toei never gets Takeru Satoh back, frustrated with how they keep pretending Momotaros by himself is Den-O, and that made that moment in this movie so very cathartic for me. Like, yeah, how could you ever forget Ryoutarou? That dude is the coolest, just like the show he came from, and that's why these rainbow-colored cartoon goofballs haven't stopped showing up in stuff since 2007. It's such a touching little tribute to one of Rider's biggest success stories in the middle of a film that was already doing a pretty dang solid job paying tribute to Kamen Rider, and it was wonderful to see.
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