[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Oh right lol, well I have first hand experience anyways. Maybe it 'gets good' later on but me and Split Lip discussed in length about how much we hate that statement a few pages back.

I know, but I'm with Matrix, there are times where it is legitimate. Personally, when I say "it get's better later" in Kiva's case, I by no means thought the beginning was horrible. Same with Wizard. I just don't think people should drop a 50 episode show 5 epiodes in, just because "it wasn't perfect" in 5 episodes, a show hasn't established everything yet, if you establish everything there, then you're going to have much less material to pad out a 50 episode series. I completely understand SPLIT LIP giving up on Kabuto, because he gave it a fair chance (he wtched up until the mid 20s I believe). In you case, I would say give Kiva a shot after you've perhaps gotan a few more Rider series under your belt (no pun intended).

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I thought we already established you were the minority when it comes to liking Haruto

Anyway, to be fair towards the two women in Kiva, they aren't just bit characters. They both remain important characters throughout the series.

Kiva's fighting style itself is rather bland. It wasn't going to set the world on fire because he just fights so...boringly. Even with his 5 other forms (Which, outside of his final, go painfully underutilized), he's just a boring fighter.

I think Haruto is ok, I just watched the episode where Infinity is introduced (I'M SO BEHIND!) And he had some very good moments there. When they said "people are going into comas" I thought of how people who get attacked by shadows in Persona 3 are found unconscious afterwards. Legion also kind of looked like Legion from Mass Effect, which I found funny. Beast Hyper's introduction was cool too, I'm liking Nitou more. The journey to catch up on Wizard continues!

Really? I like Kiva's fighting stance. I think perhaps one reaon why it's so bland is because, from what I understand, the Kiva suit is very heavy, isn't it?

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

I know, but I'm with Matrix, there are times where it is legitimate. Personally, when I say "it get's better later" in Kiva's case, I by no means thought the beginning was horrible. Same with Wizard. I just don't think people should drop a 50 episode show 5 epiodes in, just because "it wasn't perfect" in 5 episodes, a show hasn't established everything yet, if you establish everything there, then you're going to have much less material to pad out a 50 episode series. I completely understand SPLIT LIP giving up on Kabuto, because he gave it a fair chance (he wtched up until the mid 20s I believe). In you case, I would say give Kiva a shot after you've perhaps gotan a few more Rider series under your belt (no pun intended).

I guess since I've tried out other series, finished Wizard and am about half way through Kuuga I can give Kiva another shot, like give it ten episodes to impress me.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

I know, but I'm with Matrix, there are times where it is legitimate. Personally, when I say "it get's better later" in Kiva's case, I by no means thought the beginning was horrible. Same with Wizard. I just don't think people should drop a 50 episode show 5 epiodes in, just because "it wasn't perfect" in 5 episodes, a show hasn't established everything yet, if you establish everything there, then you're going to have much less material to pad out a 50 episode series. I completely understand SPLIT LIP giving up on Kabuto, because he gave it a fair chance (he wtched up until the mid 20s I believe). In you case, I would say give Kiva a shot after you've perhaps gotan a few more Rider series under your belt (no pun intended).

There are a lot of shows that do get better later.
I think the one show that gets worse, later on, from what I've heard, is Hibiki

But I do agree that watching only a few episodes might not do the show justice.

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

Really? I like Kiva's fighting stance. I think perhaps one reaon why it's so bland is because, from what I understand, the Kiva suit is very heavy, isn't it?

I like his stance, yes, but his actual fighting is clunky and dull.
Yeah, the Kiva suit is heavy (Hence the Emperor Form spam later on), but his fights should have been better.

[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I guess since I've tried out other series, finished Wizard and am about half way through Kuuga I can give Kiva another shot, like give it ten episodes to impress me.

I think that's fair. I've just heard people give up on shows after the first episode.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

There are a lot of shows that do get better later.
I think the one show that gets worse, later on, from what I've heard, is Hibiki

But I do agree that watching only a few episodes might not do the show justice.



I like his stance, yes, but his actual fighting is clunky and dull.
Yeah, the Kiva suit is heavy (Hence the Emperor Form spam later on), but his fights should have been better.

That sucks...I'm going to watch that after Ryuki...

Clunky...like the suit...but yeah, perhaps.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

I think that's fair. I've just heard people give up on shows after the first episode.

I gave it five or six episodes the first time around, I was overwhelmed by the weird glossy enemies, shit CGI and general wackiness. Not to mention convoluted and difficult as all hell to follow storytelling.

Kiva looked cool as fuck though, I loved his Rider Kick and badass ladies.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I gave it five or six episodes the first time around, I was overwhelmed by the weird glossy enemies, shit CGI and general wackiness. Not to mention convoluted and difficult as all hell to follow storytelling.

Kiva looked cool as fuck though, I loved his Rider Kick and badass ladies.

If you're gonna hold that against Kamen Rider, you might as well stop watching now

Anyway, Kiva's Rider Kick, the Darkness Moon Break, is flipping awesome. Probably one of my favorites.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

If you're gonna hold that against Kamen Rider, you might as well stop watching now

Anyway, Kiva's Rider Kick, the Darkness Moon Break, is flipping awesome. Probably one of my favorites.

Yeah but this looked especially bad. It was a castle...that came out of a building...that was also a dragon. It sounds cool but I felt like I was playing an N64 game when you saw how they realised it, couldn't they have at least got the proportions on the castle right so it didn't appear to be changing size from scene to scene?

[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I gave it five or six episodes the first time around, I was overwhelmed by the weird glossy enemies, shit CGI and general wackiness. Not to mention convoluted and difficult as all hell to follow storytelling.

Kiva looked cool as fuck though, I loved his Rider Kick and badass ladies.

I didn't find it hard to follow, it just takes some getting used to because of the whole 2 different storylines thing.

Oh yeah...Come on Bandai...SHF normal Kiva...

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

If you're gonna hold that against Kamen Rider, you might as well stop watching now

Anyway, Kiva's Rider Kick, the Darkness Moon Break, is flipping awesome. Probably one of my favorites.

This.

Oooh...I love the Darkness Moon Break

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

I didn't find it hard to follow, it just takes some getting used to because of the whole 2 different storylines thing.

Oh yeah...Come on Bandai...SHF normal Kiva...

The problem wasn't two different timelines, it was that each episode is twenty minutes long and about half of that is action. So since what is left is split between two separate stories and casts of characters basically nothing was happening in either timeline.

[SideswipePrime]

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Originally Posted by Locke

The problem wasn't two different timelines, it was that each episode is twenty minutes long and about half of that is action. So since what is left is split between two separate stories and casts of characters basically nothing was happening in either timeline.

I found that it varied from episode to episode.