[Locke]

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

No, she's literally just a random character who can control men.

It's an odd little arc.

Exactly, so left field.

In other news, started reading the opening Earth 2 trade and like damn, I almost read the whole thing in a single day. The action is epic, the narrative is playful and I adore the redesigns.

My only real complaint is wow, Alan Scott being gay is really cheap. I have nothing against making established characters gay - I mean it's Earth 2 in the first place for Christ's Sake - but I'm only happy with the change if it's done in a meaningful way and it isn't some cheap novelty to sell comics. Alan Scott being gay is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT about selling comics and it makes no attempt to disguise it at all.

Sam literally gets killed off like two panels, and maybe a single page, after he gets a gay kiss with Alan. Like literally Sam could have been a llama, caused just as much controversy and been just as superfluous. Shit like this is why comics gets a bad wrap.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

No, she's literally just a random character who can control men.

It's an odd little arc.

I've read the first three trades, and I don't even remember her.

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Sorry, I'm a Talia fan. Talia is Bruce's true love.

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Originally Posted by Sentai

Sentai approves this.

I read Batman, Incorporated. It is difficult for me to believe this.

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Originally Posted by Locke

Exactly, so left field.

In other news, started reading the opening Earth 2 trade and like damn, I almost read the whole thing in a single day. The action is epic, the narrative is playful and I adore the redesigns.

My only real complaint is wow, Alan Scott being gay is really cheap. I have nothing against making established characters gay - I mean it's Earth 2 in the first place for Christ's Sake - but I'm only happy with the change if it's done in a meaningful way and it isn't some cheap novelty to sell comics. Alan Scott being gay is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT about selling comics and it makes no attempt to disguise it at all.

Sam literally gets killed off like two panels, and maybe a single page, after he gets a gay kiss with Alan. Like literally Sam could have been a llama, caused just as much controversy and been just as superfluous. Shit like this is why comics gets a bad wrap.

Yay! Another Earth 2 fan! We can start a party with Switchblade, now!

Alan Scott being gay is a bit superfluous, but I don't think it's too intrusive. I see it more like his hair being blonde—it's a part of him, but not a big part.

[KyoryuGreen]

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Originally Posted by KRX

I read Batman, Incorporated. It is difficult for me to believe this.



Yay! Another Earth 2 fan! We can start a party with Switchblade, now!

Alan Scott being gay is a bit superfluous, but I don't think it's too intrusive. I see it more like his hair being blonde—it's a part of him, but not a big part.

I completely agree with you with Talia, after Batman, Incorporated it is difficult to believe that. I love Batman with Catwoman honestly.

I'm also an Earth-2 fan, I think it's been really slow lately since the new writer has started on it. I also hated one of the deaths in the series too.

Alan Scott being gay is really pointless I mean they got rid of his Boyfriend in the first couple issues so what was the point with even dealing with who he's in to?

I also am a big JSA fan so I really hated how much of the Justice Society got eliminated for Earth-2. Alan Scott's son, Obsidian (who was gay), is one of my favorite characters, so are Hourman, Wildcat, Damage, Atom Smasher, Cyclone, Sandman (Sanderson), Dr. Mid-Nite, Liberty Belle, Citizen Steel, Jakeem Thunder, Tomcat (Wildcat's son), Jade, and more. So pretty much Earth-2 has a lot of catching up to do in my book. I want the Justice Society already, not let's try and stop Evil Superman.

[Dr Kain]

I don't read Batman Inc. In fact, I don't read any of the N52 Batman stuff. For me, Denny O'Neil's stories from the 70s are some of the most definitive Batman stories of all time.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

I don't read Batman Inc. In fact, I don't read any of the N52 Batman stuff. For me, Denny O'Neil's stories from the 70s are some of the most definitive Batman stories of all time.

Batman, Incorporated was weird. It was a good story, but it was weird.

And you're missing out on Scott Snyder's Batman.

[Dr Kain]

No I'm not. The N52 turned Bruce Wayne into some sex crazed James Bond type.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

No I'm not. The N52 turned Bruce Wayne into some sex crazed James Bond type.

… What were you reading? Catwoman?

[algo448]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

No I'm not. The N52 turned Bruce Wayne into some sex crazed James Bond type.

The main Batman titles has none of that, at least in my limited experience.

[Den-O]

You guys realize the whole point of Alan being gay in Earth 2 is a tribute to his son right? When James Robinson was first given the go ahead on the series DC laid out for him that these characters were all fresh starts. Brand new with no baggage or previous continuity behind them. However that sadly meant that both of Alan's kids, Obsidian & Jade, no longer existed.

Obsidian/Todd was a pretty high profile gay character in comics for a time. Primarily because of his struggles to out himself to his family and because of the mental instability his powers caused. For a long time he was written as a kind of sociopath who happened to be gay until Robinson finally got a hold of him and really turned the character around. Obsidian was adavanced far beyond being a trivially gay character. He and his partner even attempted to adopt a child just before the N52 relaunch but they were sadly denied.

In honor of Obsidian and his nullified existence Robinson wanted Alan to at least still carry a part of his character. So Alan was written as being gay. Am I saying it was totally not for money? No. The publicity stunt aspect of it is certainly a factor here. But the overriding reason why it happened was to honor a son that no longer existed. WIth so few prominent positive gay characters in comics these days, Robinson sought to rectify the loss of one thanks to a reboot.

[Locke]

God if Alan was meant to celebrate the now non-existence of a once prominent gay character, it is even worse.

Speaking of New 52 Batman, sex crazed James Bond? What are you reading?! Still though, New 52 Bruce is...not good. Batman seems less faithfully adapted in his own series, than his cameos in....pretty much every title. It's weird.