[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

Now you're speaking in oxymoron's. How is a SIC perfect when the very purpose of that line is taking liberties with the characters design and going in a different direction?

I think you need to look up what an oxymoron is, because I don't think it means what you think it does.

Also when I compared it to SICs I was only comparing just in quality and articulation. Obviously I wasn't comparring accuracy, that'd be silly.

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But you almost have to expect a certain degree of compromise on the 6" figure scale.

I do, which is explicitly why I only brought up the inaccuracies that don't make sense.

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Literally ANY toyline has problems with joint tolerances and QC problems at some point. Any production run of anything will inevitably have issues, it's just the nature of mass production. I can't help that your basing your opinion on the only 2 older releases you've had the chance to handle rather than looking at the line as a whole.

How is that my fault when all everybody talks about is how amazing Figuarts are, and when I get the two of my favourite charatcers, expecting these great representations, I get one with a nowhere near close headsculpt and squeaky joints that feel like they're going to twist off, and one who's legs constantly fall off.

I'm just expecting my dissapointement because two pieces I was super excited for turned out to be (in the case of W more than Sieg) toys I'm never going to touch. It really sucks when you basically flush $30 down the toilet because the toy doesn't even achieve the basics of being a toy.

Also, if you had actually read the majority of what I've said instead of jumping to rash assumptions of what I think, then you'd know that I'm not basing my opinion of the line overall off of the two I own. In fact I've explicitly stated my next Figuarts purchase is going to be Ryuki, since it's a newer release that's more likely to accurately represent the line so I'm told. (even though I don't know anythign of Ryuki)

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Seriously you're expecting too much out of these things for their price and scale.

Expecting them to work is too much?

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Originally Posted by Snowfall

Earlier SIC's were awful, prone to breaking and falling apart at the slightest touch.

But Den-O and onwards they're excellent. Plus the line is older than Figuarts and, IIRC, the Den-O SIC's came out back in 2007, and I don't think Figuarts even dates back quite that far? Though I may be mistaken.

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I really don't know how you could complain about the quality or level of detail that goes into them, even most of the earlier ones, while a little rougher, are still pretty amazing.

Because there's problems with them. Problems other toys at the same size and price don't have.

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Originally Posted by Shin Henshin

Like others have said, dumping on a whole line based on two of its first releases while also saying that SIC, which started with poor QC and fragility, is a perfect line shows you need way more experience handling figures from both lines, both older and newer releases, before making a hard conclusion. Both have pros and cons.

Because, you know, I totally said I was giving up on the line forever and never going to buy another OH WAIT.

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Originally Posted by Myself

Suffice to say, I'm still not a big Figuarts fan... which is why my next Figuarts purchase will be Ryuki. Since he is the one I never hear a single bad thing about, and the one everyone says is so fun, he will be the toy to, at the very least, legitimize the hype around Figuarts for me. Hopefully. Don't get me wrong, I love Sieg, but I need a Figuart where I can do what I've seen reviewers do and pick it up and not find giant flaws.

Typical internet mentality. I simply state that I'm unsatisfied with the two figures I won and that it doesn't make enthusiastic for the line overall, even though I say I'm still going to collect it, and I get dog-piled by people saying "you can't judge a line by two figures." Jeez, it's the "the show gets better after twenty episodes" arguement reborn.

And I even said over and over I like Sieg a lot, but I guess that doesn't count?

[Matrixbeast]

Well, to be fair, a lot of the early SICs were trash. Very much "Display, don't touch" having articulation but poor stability and even worse construction.
I'm not sure when Figuarts date back (I think '08? Maybe '09?), but SIC has had more time to make and perfect their figures.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Well, to be fair, a lot of the early SICs were trash. Very much "Display, don't touch" having articulation but poor stability and even worse construction.
I'm not sure when Figuarts date back (I think '08? Maybe '09?), but SIC has had more time to make and perfect their figures.

But, aren't they both made by Bandai?

Also, if you wanted to be absolutely fair, early SIC construction is fairly imfamous, yet Figuarts have supposedly been awesome all along.

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

I think you need to look up what an oxymoron is, because I don't think it means what you think it does.

Also when I compared it to SICs I was only comparing just in quality and articulation. Obviously I wasn't comparring accuracy, that'd be silly.

I do, which is explicitly why I only brought up the inaccuracies that don't make sense.

How is that my fault when all everybody talks about is how amazing Figuarts are, and when I get the two of my favourite charatcers, expecting these great representations, I get one with a nowhere near close headsculpt and squeaky joints that feel like they're going to twist off, and one who's legs constantly fall off.

I'm just expecting my dissapointement because two pieces I was super excited for turned out to be (in the case of W more than Sieg) toys I'm never going to touch. It really sucks when you basically flush $30 down the toilet because the toy doesn't even achieve the basics of being a toy.

Also, if you had actually read the majority of what I've said instead of jumping to rash assumptions of what I think, then you'd know that I'm not basing my opinion of the line overall off of the two I own. In fact I've explicitly stated my next Figuarts purchase is going to be Ryuki, since it's a newer release that's more likely to accurately represent the line so I'm told. (even though I don't know anythign of Ryuki)

Expecting them to work is too much?

But Den-O and onwards they're excellent. Plus the line is older than Figuarts and, IIRC, the Den-O SIC's came out back in 2007, and I don't think Figuarts even dates back quite that far? Though I may be mistaken.

Because there's problems with them. Problems other toys at the same size and price don't have.

Because, you know, I totally said I was giving up on the line forever and never going to buy another OH WAIT.

I've read everything you said, absolutely all of it. But your statements are based on outdated facts. You own 2 poorly made figures from a point in the line where standards weren't as high and you act as though it's a bad line that doesn't deserve the fanfare it gets. So yes expecting them to "work" perfectly is expecting too much. You can say you'll buy a new figure and I welcome you to do so. But just based on the facts your giving us you have standards that are way to high for this type of figure. Ryuki and all of his derivatives are excellent though.

And while SIC figures are nice but they also have QC issues and design flaws. Just like any other toyline. Like the wings on my SIC TaJaDor that won't stay plugged in at all. OR the loose ankles on SIC TaToBa that make it completely necessary for him to use a tamashii stage. And those are new releases. Look at SIC's from 5 or 6 years ago and you see a significant quality drop. SIC isn't perfect either man. Take the good and the bad, every figure can't possibly be just as good as every other figure.

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

But, aren't they both made by Bandai?

Also, if you wanted to be absolutely fair, early SIC construction is fairly imfamous, yet Figuarts have supposedly been awesome all along.

No. That's why the introduced new hips several years ago, and new shoulders for better or worse recently for certain figures. SHF's have evolved as well. They're definitely better than when they started. But when they started they were literally the best thing going for 6" scale riders. That's why they did so well. The high sales at that time when people were fine with the quality is what drove the line to be the powerhouse that it is today.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

I've read everything you said, absolutely all of it. But your statements are based on outdated facts. You own 2 poorly made figures from a point in the line where standards weren't as high and you act as though it's a bad line that doesn't deserve the fanfare it gets.

Not even close.

I'm just saying how it felt to me that when I got into this line, hearing all these great things about it, and the first figure I got was meh and the second figure I got has weird quality issues. I never said it doesn't deserve the praise it gets, just that it stinks that I happen to get the worst figures of the line first. You and everyone else have completely overblown the simplest of reactions into, what, that I'm trying to, like, slander Figaurts' good name or something?

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So yes expecting them to "work" perfectly is expecting too much. You can say you'll buy a new figure and I welcome you to do so. But just based on the facts your giving us you have standards that are way to high for this type of figure.

This is outrageous. Expecting the figure to not fall apart in my hands is too much?

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Take the good and the bad, every figure can't possibly be just as good as every other figure.

So I should just be happy that I wasted $30 on CycloneJoker?

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No. That's why the introduced new hips several years ago, and new shoulders for better or worse recently for certain figures. SHF's have evolved as well. They're definitely better than when they started. But when they started they were literally the best thing going for 6" scale riders. That's why they did so well. The high sales at that time when people were fine with the quality is what drove the line to be the powerhouse that it is today.

Okay, that has nothing to do with anything I said though.

Again, look at what has actually happened here. I said I was dissapointed in the figures I got. I never said anything about Figuarts as a whole, only referenced their popularity. Not once did I ever say, ever even come so close as to imply, that the line overall was somehow underserving. I merely lamented that the figures I own were not good compared to what I've heard, and every single person has agreed with me on that. So I'm not even sure what you're talking about or what the problem even is. I'm not saying Figuarts is bad overall, I never even implied that, and if you think I did, well sorry but you are wrong.

[PkmnMstr]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

So I should just be happy that I wasted $30 on CycloneJoker?

I still don't see what you didn't like about him. I remember your initial reaction when getting it. My only real complaint is that the seams on the knee joints could be smoother.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by PkmnMstr

I still don't see what you didn't like about him. I remember your initial reaction when getting it. My only real complaint is that the seams on the knee joints could be smoother.

It's the joints, man. If they hadn't gotten so bad I'd probably still be okay with him. I've barely handled him, too. In the one day I've own Sieg I've likely posed him more than W and yet W's joints are loosening and squeaking more and more.

[PkmnMstr]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

It's the joints, man. If they hadn't gotten so bad I'd probably still be okay with him. I've barely handled him, too. In the one day I've own Sieg I've likely posed him more than W and yet W's joints are loosening and squeaking more and more.

That's a shame. I guess that was just bad luck then. The only real figuarts QC issue I've had is SaGoZo's right arm being loose.

[SPLIT LIP]

That's why Sieg's legs bug me. If they're loose and like to fall off now, what happens as time goes on?

[Locke]

Pose him on his hands and call it a variant.