The Flaw of Wizard

Powerman293 · 12-08-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

The thing is, Wizard is prime set up for this occasion though! I don't want it to become a staple, but the entire spawning of new Phantoms is through the deaths of gates. Wizard's premise is perfect for this kind of story.

True, true. I would just wonder how they would reverse Phantomization(I'm trademarking that word by the way). I presume this story arch would take place when Beast is around. I mean nobody's been looking for a way to reverse the Phantom pandemic now when we have one Rider so what would looking for a way to reverse it do good if the series had one Rider to protect it in the first place? Pull a magic stone out of Wajima's ass that's what.

Locke · 05-22-2013, 04:56 PM

So am I like the only person on this entire forum who likes Haruto? Fuuu.

Sure, he lacks depth and nuance, I'll give you that. But I like how they made a classic, charming hero who is still flawed. He doesn't steam roll through every fight, he doesn't get everything right on the first go and he isn't perfect at everything he tries but he is still cool and serious enough to be a convincing hero who has achieved just enough to validate his worth. He manages to have big emotional moments and for such a serious character can shift into subtle humour very naturally and amusingly.

I can't help but feel most people don't like Haruto because he is pretty unique, I mean don't misunderstand me there are a million Haruto's out there but I've been discovering more and more that Toku characters usually fit into three categories, 'immortal', 'useless' or 'goofball'. And he doesn't quite fit in any of them and yet sort of fits in all three at the same time. I guess that is a big part of the appeal for me.

I would also find Haruto as bland as everyone else, if he was like King or like Tendou, because to me the mark of a bland Toku hero is one who never faces any conflict he can't yawn himself through.

SPLIT LIP · 05-22-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

So am I like the only person on this entire forum who likes Haruto? Fuuu.

No way man, I think he's just fine. Underutilized in that he doesn't have much time to really just be a character, but when he does, he does well.

He's no Shotaro, but he's just fine as far as I can tell.

Not sure about that hair, though. I mean, that's kind of every Kamen Rider's hairstyle ever.

guncannon109 · 05-22-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

No way man, I think he's just fine. Underutilized in that he doesn't have much time to really just be a character, but when he does, he does well.

He's no Shotaro, but he's just fine as far as I can tell.

Not sure about that hair, though. I mean, that's kind of every Kamen Rider's hairstyle ever.

I mean he's not as bad as Gentaro am I right?

SideswipePrime · 05-22-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

No way man, I think he's just fine. Underutilized in that he doesn't have much time to really just be a character, but when he does, he does well.

He's no Shotaro, but he's just fine as far as I can tell.

Not sure about that hair, though. I mean, that's kind of every Kamen Rider's hairstyle ever.

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Matrixbeast · 05-22-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

So am I like the only person on this entire forum who likes Haruto? Fuuu.

Sure, he lacks depth and nuance, I'll give you that. But I like how they made a classic, charming hero who is still flawed. He doesn't steam roll through every fight, he doesn't get everything right on the first go and he isn't perfect at everything he tries but he is still cool and serious enough to be a convincing hero who has achieved just enough to validate his worth. He manages to have big emotional moments and for such a serious character can shift into subtle humour very naturally and amusingly.

I can't help but feel most people don't like Haruto because he is pretty unique, I mean don't misunderstand me there are a million Haruto's out there but I've been discovering more and more that Toku characters usually fit into three categories, 'immortal', 'useless' or 'goofball'. And he doesn't quite fit in any of them and yet sort of fits in all three at the same time. I guess that is a big part of the appeal for me.

I would also find Haruto as bland as everyone else, if he was like King or like Tendou, because to me the mark of a bland Toku hero is one who never faces any conflict he can't yawn himself through.

I don't find Haruto to be any of those. Every time I see Haruto in a non action scene, it seems to be him giving a blank stare straight forward. He's just sitting around, waiting for the plot of the week to start.

Compare that to Double, which had Shotaro and Philip constantly solving crimes and looking for who was dealing the memories and later.
Only recently has Haruto ever taken an active stance.

I find Haruto to be dull, and he really isn't unique, being a more subdued Wataru/Kiva.
I found him a bore to watch and only tends to be interesting when working with the zany Nitou.

SPLIT LIP · 05-22-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

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To which I counter with Eiji, Ryoutaro, Decade, Kiva...

I mean it's that or whatever hairstyle Agito and Ryuki were rocking.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Compare that to Double, which had Shotaro and Philip constantly solving crimes and looking for who was dealing the memories and later.
Only recently has Haruto ever taken an active stance.

Uh, bad move. Locke didn't like W.

Matrixbeast · 05-22-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by guncannon109

I mean he's not as bad as Gentaro am I right?

Gentaro was the greatest Rider we've had since Yusuke.

Matrixbeast · 05-22-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

To which I counter with Eiji, Ryoutaro, Decade, Kiva...

I mean it's that or whatever hairstyle Agito and Ryuki were rocking.

To be fair. This is what happens when Decade tries a new hairstyle

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Uh, bad move. Locke didn't like W.

I find that to be irrelevant.
It doesn't matter if he found Double to be the worst Rider series ever.
It doesn't change the characters or their actions.

SPLIT LIP · 05-22-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

To be fair. This is what happens when Decade tries a new hairstyle

Oh dear Jesus. Looks like he got attacked by a spider monkey with a hairdryer.

I take it back, I want upside-down moptop back.

12-08-2012, 08:57 PM	#41
Powerman293 Man with a plan Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,297	Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast The thing is, Wizard is prime set up for this occasion though! I don't want it to become a staple, but the entire spawning of new Phantoms is through the deaths of gates. Wizard's premise is perfect for this kind of story. True, true. I would just wonder how they would reverse Phantomization(I'm trademarking that word by the way). I presume this story arch would take place when Beast is around. I mean nobody's been looking for a way to reverse the Phantom pandemic now when we have one Rider so what would looking for a way to reverse it do good if the series had one Rider to protect it in the first place? Pull a magic stone out of Wajima's ass that's what. __________________ My Twitter

05-22-2013, 04:56 PM	#42
Locke Big Bad Wolf. Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raiding tombs. Posts: 9,529	So am I like the only person on this entire forum who likes Haruto? Fuuu. Sure, he lacks depth and nuance, I'll give you that. But I like how they made a classic, charming hero who is still flawed. He doesn't steam roll through every fight, he doesn't get everything right on the first go and he isn't perfect at everything he tries but he is still cool and serious enough to be a convincing hero who has achieved just enough to validate his worth. He manages to have big emotional moments and for such a serious character can shift into subtle humour very naturally and amusingly. I can't help but feel most people don't like Haruto because he is pretty unique, I mean don't misunderstand me there are a million Haruto's out there but I've been discovering more and more that Toku characters usually fit into three categories, 'immortal', 'useless' or 'goofball'. And he doesn't quite fit in any of them and yet sort of fits in all three at the same time. I guess that is a big part of the appeal for me. I would also find Haruto as bland as everyone else, if he was like King or like Tendou, because to me the mark of a bland Toku hero is one who never faces any conflict he can't yawn himself through. __________________

05-22-2013, 05:21 PM	#45
SideswipePrime Go beyond...PLUS ULTRA!!! Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Higher than you'd think, but lower than you'd hope. Posts: 7,044	Quote: Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP No way man, I think he's just fine. Underutilized in that he doesn't have much time to really just be a character, but when he does, he does well. He's no Shotaro, but he's just fine as far as I can tell. Not sure about that hair, though. I mean, that's kind of every Kamen Rider's hairstyle ever. ... __________________

05-22-2013, 05:26 PM	#46
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,454	Quote: Originally Posted by Locke So am I like the only person on this entire forum who likes Haruto? Fuuu. Sure, he lacks depth and nuance, I'll give you that. But I like how they made a classic, charming hero who is still flawed. He doesn't steam roll through every fight, he doesn't get everything right on the first go and he isn't perfect at everything he tries but he is still cool and serious enough to be a convincing hero who has achieved just enough to validate his worth. He manages to have big emotional moments and for such a serious character can shift into subtle humour very naturally and amusingly. I can't help but feel most people don't like Haruto because he is pretty unique, I mean don't misunderstand me there are a million Haruto's out there but I've been discovering more and more that Toku characters usually fit into three categories, 'immortal', 'useless' or 'goofball'. And he doesn't quite fit in any of them and yet sort of fits in all three at the same time. I guess that is a big part of the appeal for me. I would also find Haruto as bland as everyone else, if he was like King or like Tendou, because to me the mark of a bland Toku hero is one who never faces any conflict he can't yawn himself through. I don't find Haruto to be any of those. Every time I see Haruto in a non action scene, it seems to be him giving a blank stare straight forward. He's just sitting around, waiting for the plot of the week to start. Compare that to Double, which had Shotaro and Philip constantly solving crimes and looking for who was dealing the memories and later. Only recently has Haruto ever taken an active stance. I find Haruto to be dull, and he really isn't unique, being a more subdued Wataru/Kiva. I found him a bore to watch and only tends to be interesting when working with the zany Nitou. __________________

05-22-2013, 05:27 PM	#48
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,454	Quote: Originally Posted by guncannon109 I mean he's not as bad as Gentaro am I right? Gentaro was the greatest Rider we've had since Yusuke. __________________