[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I know the whole Toku business is a big debate about what it actually means blahblah but I use it specifically to mean Japanese superhero shows. I may as well make a specific use, since it has no defined one.

It's actually not a big debate or any vagueness to it. There's a very clear definition.


The problem is that people (Including many here) confuse Toku with "Henshin/Transforming Hero"

As long as it's a live action work that makes heavy use of special effects in some way (Not just CG, mind you), it's Toku.

No one has to scream "HENSHIN!" for it to qualify as Toku, which is why it peeved me when Den-O (The admin, not the show) suddenly declared the Iron Man movies as "Non-Toku" just because they're not Japanese men in spandex.

Toku is a medium that encompasses many genres (Man of Steel is a Superhero flick, while Pacific Rim is a giant robot/kaiju movie, but they're both Tokusatsu).

(And no, I'm not railing or ranting against you, Locke. I'm just trying to make it clear for everyone that Toku is more than just Ultraman, Sentai/PR, Kamen Rider, and Godzilla)

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

It's actually not a big debate or any vagueness to it. There's a very clear definition.


The problem is that people (Including many here) confuse Toku with "Henshin/Transforming Hero"

As long as it's a live action work that makes heavy use of special effects in some way (Not just CG, mind you), it's Toku.

No one has to scream "HENSHIN!" for it to qualify as Toku, which is why it peeved me when Den-O (The admin, not the show) suddenly declared the Iron Man movies as "Non-Toku" just because they're not Japanese men in spandex.

Toku is a medium that encompasses many genres (Man of Steel is a Superhero flick, while Pacific Rim is a giant robot/kaiju movie, but they're both Tokusatsu).

(And no, I'm not railing or ranting against you, Locke. I'm just trying to make it clear for everyone that Toku is more than just Ultraman, Sentai/PR, Kamen Rider, and Godzilla)

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Originally Posted by EnerPrime

The Taka helmet has a special power. It enhances Eiji's vision, like lets him see invisible stuff and whatnot. It only gets used a handful of times, but it's there.

Fair enough, stand me corrected on both counts then!

Minus the awkward Power Rangers like 'they aren't dead they are just sleeping' business episode 27 of Fourze was a lot of fun. Cancer is probably the most competent villain yet, even if I haven't a fucking clue what any of his puns actually mean. And yeah those Supernova forms don't look any better....

Finding out about Gen's parents, and at such a young age for him, really added to the huge pool of respect I already have for him. This stuff was great.

[EnerPrime]

Well if it makes you feel better, IIRC Cancer is the last horoscope to have a 'giant CGI monster' supernova form.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by EnerPrime

Well if it makes you feel better, IIRC Cancer is the last horoscope to have a 'giant CGI monster' supernova form.

Oh wow, none of the other Horoscopes get it? Seems kinda pointless to be introduced then, but I won't complain.

Just seen OOO 23, I got nothing, it wasn't a bad episode but it was just another filler episode really.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Oh wow, none of the other Horoscopes get it? Seems kinda pointless to be introduced then, but I won't complain.

Just seen OOO 23, I got nothing, it wasn't a bad episode but it was just another filler episode really.

There are more, but his was the last giant CG form.

Anyway, I think O-T altered Cancer's puns to better make sense for an English audience. Not as accurate as TVN's subs as a result, but eh.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

There are more, but his was the last giant CG form.

Anyway, I think O-T altered Cancer's puns to better make sense for an English audience. Not as accurate as TVN's subs as a result, but eh.

Oh thank God, I can't wait to see the other forms then!

I'm still grateful that OT tries to translate everything, I assume TVN just left these puns in Japanese 'swag yolo' and I get the vague jist of the puns most of the time, but most of them are terrible and not funny in the slightest and it all starts to blur together when he fires like six at once with no sense of comedic timing.

His jokes are the equivalent of the Christmas Party where everyone gets a little drunk and starts reading the facts - not the jokes - out of a Christmas cracker and find it hilarious.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Oh wow, none of the other Horoscopes get it? Seems kinda pointless to be introduced then, but I won't complain.

By the end of the series the Horoscopes are just regular Monsters of the Fortnight. They become a lot less cool once the writers realized they had about half of them left to introduce and the show was 75% over.

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Originally Posted by Locke

I'm still grateful that OT tries to translate everything, I assume TVN just left these puns in Japanese 'swag yolo' and I get the vague jist of the puns most of the time, but most of them are terrible and not funny in the slightest and it all starts to blur together when he fires like six at once with no sense of comedic timing.

Probably. I know that the TVN Kyoryuger subs just translate Nossan's dialogue straight and put a translator's note at the top of the page. It pretty effectively kills all of the puns. I can't even imagine what their Akibaranger subs look like.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

By the end of the series the Horoscopes are just regular Monsters of the Fortnight. They become a lot less cool once the writers realized they had about half of them left to introduce and the show was 75% over.


Probably. I know that the TVN Kyoryuger subs just translate Nossan's dialogue straight and put a translator's note at the top of the page. It pretty effectively kills all of the puns. I can't even imagine what their Akibaranger subs look like.

Yeah it seems kinda insane that I'm half way through the series and only five have been introduced so far, with one not even being seen yet, just mentioned. As cool as Libra and Virgo are as well, Cancer has achieved more than them so far and was only just introduced...

I'm just glad OT tries to localise Cancer's puns, I dread to think how much I'd struggle if they did straight translations like TVN.

Wow episode 28 of Fourze was a great episode for both Ryusei and Cancer, it was rushed and largely ruined by being played for gags but Cancer actually killed almost the entire Rider Club, including Fourze himself. Insane! I love the way Libra tricked Virgo into sending Cancer into the Dark Nebula as well. Libra and Virgo may not do a lot but whenever they do do something it is awesome.

Also sadly Meteor's upgrade form was kinda...meh, it was basically a pallet swap with a much less interesting helmet, and a beyblade. It was flashy and everything, sure, but I actually think the base form is much more interesting, along with how it is used. I hope he still uses the base form and his sweet Bruce Lee skills.

Plus it was badly filmed, so awkwardly framed and so many shots were out of focus or tracked weird.

[SPLIT LIP]

I seriously think Trial was the last good upgrade form a secondary rider ever got. It resembled his original form, but was clearly different and not just minor alterations and new colours. It also clearly achieved something regular Accel could not. (being less bulky and more streamlined) All the other upgrades to secondary riders since have largely been pallette swaps with minor alterations.

[KRX]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

I seriously think Trial was the last good upgrade form a secondary rider ever got. It resembled his original form, but was clearly different and not just minor alterations and new colours. It also clearly achieved something regular Accel could not. (being less bulky and more streamlined) All the other upgrades to secondary riders since have largely been pallette swaps with minor alterations.

Really, I thought Trial was one of the weaker upgrades for a secondary Rider. I always thought that Trial had a bit of a fish-face, which is what killed the design for me. It has grown on me, but I think Accel Booster is far superior.

I know I'm in the minority, but I thought that Meteor Storm was one of the stronger secondary Rider upgrades. There's just something about a staff and the addition of gold to a color scheme that I like. Naturally, Beast Hyper is my favorite secondary Rider upgrade.