What are you watching? (Kamen Rider Edition)

SPLIT LIP · 06-24-2013, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Huh. The contract thing wasn't explained until episode 14? Didn't remember that (Haven't seen Ryuki in 3 years). I thought it was expanded upon when Scissors bit the dust...

This time it's explained outright. It was obvious that when you lose you get eaten, but this sort of laid it all out what the contract is for, not just the terms of termination. It's so that the monsters can feed off dead monsters energy and grow in power.

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But yeah. I actually like how Ryuki does it. It's a deal with the devil sort of thing, where instead of the devil making you sign your name in blood, he turns into your personal attack dog and gives you a bitchin' sword.

It's interesting how the MM sort of get treated like the attack dogs when they're really calling the shots. Like how Zolda and his monster faked his death, or how Ryuki stopped Dragredder from taking a monster's energy once.

Gotta say, though, that was a fumbled plot. Ryuki gets all down because he kills Zolda and it's treated all serious, but then when he finds out he didn't he grovels and then it goes into bumbling comedy. Uh...

BTW, I think it's really weird how the aesthetics of monsters clash. There's no reason given for why monsters under contract look clean and cool wheras the rogue ones look like, well, regular Toku villains. Kind of shoddy, really. Not a single monster they've fought has actually looked like a contract beast, yet supposedly Dragredder and Darkwing were once contractless rogues.

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Originally Posted by guncannon109

Oh my god... IT'S KAMEN RIDER MADOKA... or Ryuki Magica or or... contract?

I don't know what you're talking about.

Matrixbeast · 06-24-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

This time it's explained outright. It was obvious that when you lose you get eaten, but this sort of laid it all out what the contract is for, not just the terms of termination. It's so that the monsters can feed off dead monsters energy and grow in power.

It's interesting how the MM sort of get treated like the attack dogs when they're really calling the shots. Like how Zolda and his monster faked his death, or how Ryuki stopped Dragredder from taking a monster's energy once.

Gotta say, though, that was a fumbled plot. Ryuki gets all down because he kills Zolda and it's treated all serious, but then when he finds out he didn't he grovels and then it goes into bumbling comedy. Uh...

Ah, alright then.

And I guess that they don't expand enough on the Mirror Monsters and the contract aspect enough, when 9 times out of 10 you'll see a monster like Darkwing or Magnugiga only ever show up just for finishers.

And plots involving Kitaoka and Shinji do feel more comedy, it's odd when Kitaoka is generally more of a serious character when in a scene with literally any other character.

SPLIT LIP · 06-24-2013, 07:36 PM

Yeah, Zolda himself is serious, but well-rounded and sort of endearing as a villain. It's really his world and we're all just living in it. But stuff around him feels... at odds.

Still, he's such a jerkhead, but he's not always smugging and mugging. Stuff can get to him, and that really helps him avoid the trap of just being unlikable.

SPLIT LIP · 06-24-2013, 09:09 PM

So, episode 15: This is Gai, huh? He's uh, lame as hell?

Seriously, the design I thought was okay, but the suit is ridiculous. And seriously, who's in charge of casting who's in the suit, buecause when I look at Gai I do not think "scrawny punk bitch" on the inside. At least Knight is tall, dark and brooding to fit his suit. Kamen Rider has the nasty habbit of putting people in the suits who look nothing like the character present in the design itself. Everytime Gai speaks it sounds like a gag dub. I'm reminded on Den-O and Ryuutaros. Such a dark, almost threatening design made into a child. It like there's no communication between designs and writers.

Also, big rhino contract beast... not so big here. In fact he's kind of hilariously undersized compared to, say, whatever Zolda's monster is.

guncannon109 · 06-24-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

I don't know what you're talking about.

Kamen Rider Ryuki is starting to sound a lot like Puella Magi Madoka Magica, a dark and unintentionally subversive take on the magical girl genre in anime. What with all this talk about contracts, battling in pocket dimensions and characters dying if they don't fight and being killed by the very thing that gave them their powers... funny world isn't it?

Den-O · 06-24-2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

So, episode 15: This is Gai, huh? He's uh, lame as hell?

Seriously, the design I thought was okay, but the suit is ridiculous. And seriously, who's in charge of casting who's in the suit, buecause when I look at Gai I do not think "scrawny punk bitch" on the inside. At least Knight is tall, dark and brooding to fit his suit. Kamen Rider has the nasty habbit of putting people in the suits who look nothing like the character present in the design itself. Everytime Gai speaks it sounds like a gag dub. I'm reminded on Den-O and Ryuutaros. Such a dark, almost threatening design made into a child. It like there's no communication between designs and writers.

Also, big rhino contract beast... not so big here. In fact he's kind of hilariously undersized compared to, say, whatever Zolda's monster is.

Magnugiga is the most beastly of beasts for contract monsters.

SPLIT LIP · 06-24-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by guncannon109

Kamen Rider Ryuki is starting to sound a lot like Puella Magi Madoka Magica, a dark and intentionally subversive take on the magical girl genre in anime. What with all this talk about contracts, battling in pocket dimensions and characters dying if they don't fight and being killed by the very thing that gave them their powers... funny world isn't it?

You know what's not funny?

Cards. Riders that depend on a piece of freaking paper for their powers. I knew this would happen sooner or later. Ryuki lost his contract because Gai took his card.

Okay, this is beyond stupid in many colourful ways.

One, it's heavily implied that once you make a contract, that's it. You and that monster are bonded for life. So, what's to stop a rider from just tossing away their advent card to break the contract?

Two, he only has one? wait, I thought the deck had MULTIPLE copies? It's seriously five cards? What happens to the cards once used, how do you choose which ones you want when you draw them? How are they reused? Can you only use them once a fight? (I assume the deck "resets" after every transformation)

Three, he seriously can just take it? Dragredder doesn't, like, have a problem with that? The last episode very firmly established the monsters are the boss. Now, I know they can't speak, but doesn't Dragredder know Gai already has a contract? What, are he and the rhino gonna split Gai if he dies?

Four IT'S PAPER. God, I was kind of okay with it because the decks DIDN'T appear to be one set of cards, but this is just dumb. Why make these incredible abilities into cards? This is dumb, even dumber than when the Cockroach dopant stole W's memories. See, the W driver is a very experimental device, and W himself is pretty quick. Plus, the Roach dopant had super speed. This is just... why did Ryuki even hesitate? He was using his ADVENT, not his Final Vent. Dragredder wouldn't have killed Gai, just fought the rhino.

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Originally Posted by Den-O

Magnugiga is the most beastly of beasts for contract monsters.

I'm not buying Zolda until I can afford him and Magnugiga.

SideswipePrime · 06-24-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by guncannon109

Kamen Rider Ryuki is starting to sound a lot like Puella Magi Madoka Magica, a dark and intentionally subversive take on the magical girl genre in anime. What with all this talk about contracts, battling in pocket dimensions and characters dying if they don't fight and being killed by the very thing that gave them their powers... funny world isn't it?

Madoka Magica isn't intentionally dark though, the creator said that they just wanted to make a good story with interesting characters.

guncannon109 · 06-24-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

Madoka Magica isn't intentionally dark though, the creator said that they just wanted to make a good story with interesting characters.

Whoops, I meant to say unintentionally. That was a typo, my bad.

SPLIT LIP · 06-24-2013, 09:47 PM

I have a question: Is Raia genuine in his want to stop the fighting, or just another fuckhead messing with people?

06-24-2013, 07:26 PM	#5271
SPLIT LIP I'm an agile cat. Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,032	Quote: Originally Posted by Matrixbeast Huh. The contract thing wasn't explained until episode 14? Didn't remember that (Haven't seen Ryuki in 3 years). I thought it was expanded upon when Scissors bit the dust... This time it's explained outright. It was obvious that when you lose you get eaten, but this sort of laid it all out what the contract is for, not just the terms of termination. It's so that the monsters can feed off dead monsters energy and grow in power. Quote: But yeah. I actually like how Ryuki does it. It's a deal with the devil sort of thing, where instead of the devil making you sign your name in blood, he turns into your personal attack dog and gives you a bitchin' sword. It's interesting how the MM sort of get treated like the attack dogs when they're really calling the shots. Like how Zolda and his monster faked his death, or how Ryuki stopped Dragredder from taking a monster's energy once. Gotta say, though, that was a fumbled plot. Ryuki gets all down because he kills Zolda and it's treated all serious, but then when he finds out he didn't he grovels and then it goes into bumbling comedy. Uh... BTW, I think it's really weird how the aesthetics of monsters clash. There's no reason given for why monsters under contract look clean and cool wheras the rogue ones look like, well, regular Toku villains. Kind of shoddy, really. Not a single monster they've fought has actually looked like a contract beast, yet supposedly Dragredder and Darkwing were once contractless rogues. Quote: Originally Posted by guncannon109 Oh my god... IT'S KAMEN RIDER MADOKA... or Ryuki Magica or or... contract? I don't know what you're talking about. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 06-24-2013 at 07:35 PM..

06-24-2013, 07:34 PM	#5272
Matrixbeast Mighty Morphin Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Za Warudo Posts: 25,464	Quote: Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP This time it's explained outright. It was obvious that when you lose you get eaten, but this sort of laid it all out what the contract is for, not just the terms of termination. It's so that the monsters can feed off dead monsters energy and grow in power. It's interesting how the MM sort of get treated like the attack dogs when they're really calling the shots. Like how Zolda and his monster faked his death, or how Ryuki stopped Dragredder from taking a monster's energy once. Gotta say, though, that was a fumbled plot. Ryuki gets all down because he kills Zolda and it's treated all serious, but then when he finds out he didn't he grovels and then it goes into bumbling comedy. Uh... Ah, alright then. And I guess that they don't expand enough on the Mirror Monsters and the contract aspect enough, when 9 times out of 10 you'll see a monster like Darkwing or Magnugiga only ever show up just for finishers. And plots involving Kitaoka and Shinji do feel more comedy, it's odd when Kitaoka is generally more of a serious character when in a scene with literally any other character. __________________

06-24-2013, 09:15 PM	#5275
guncannon109 Gathering Rangers for D&D Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Orgrimmar Posts: 7,949	Quote: Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP I don't know what you're talking about. Kamen Rider Ryuki is starting to sound a lot like Puella Magi Madoka Magica, a dark and unintentionally subversive take on the magical girl genre in anime. What with all this talk about contracts, battling in pocket dimensions and characters dying if they don't fight and being killed by the very thing that gave them their powers... funny world isn't it? Last edited by guncannon109; 06-24-2013 at 09:39 PM..

06-24-2013, 09:18 PM	#5276
Den-O Admin AKA Zordon Content Director @DenO_TokuNation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 16,328	Quote: Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP So, episode 15: This is Gai, huh? He's uh, lame as hell? Seriously, the design I thought was okay, but the suit is ridiculous. And seriously, who's in charge of casting who's in the suit, buecause when I look at Gai I do not think "scrawny punk bitch" on the inside. At least Knight is tall, dark and brooding to fit his suit. Kamen Rider has the nasty habbit of putting people in the suits who look nothing like the character present in the design itself. Everytime Gai speaks it sounds like a gag dub. I'm reminded on Den-O and Ryuutaros. Such a dark, almost threatening design made into a child. It like there's no communication between designs and writers. Also, big rhino contract beast... not so big here. In fact he's kind of hilariously undersized compared to, say, whatever Zolda's monster is. Magnugiga is the most beastly of beasts for contract monsters. __________________

06-24-2013, 09:27 PM	#5277
SPLIT LIP I'm an agile cat. Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,032	Quote: Originally Posted by guncannon109 Kamen Rider Ryuki is starting to sound a lot like Puella Magi Madoka Magica, a dark and intentionally subversive take on the magical girl genre in anime. What with all this talk about contracts, battling in pocket dimensions and characters dying if they don't fight and being killed by the very thing that gave them their powers... funny world isn't it? You know what's not funny? Cards. Riders that depend on a piece of freaking paper for their powers. I knew this would happen sooner or later. Ryuki lost his contract because Gai took his card. Okay, this is beyond stupid in many colourful ways. One, it's heavily implied that once you make a contract, that's it. You and that monster are bonded for life. So, what's to stop a rider from just tossing away their advent card to break the contract? Two, he only has one? wait, I thought the deck had MULTIPLE copies? It's seriously five cards? What happens to the cards once used, how do you choose which ones you want when you draw them? How are they reused? Can you only use them once a fight? (I assume the deck "resets" after every transformation) Three, he seriously can just take it? Dragredder doesn't, like, have a problem with that? The last episode very firmly established the monsters are the boss. Now, I know they can't speak, but doesn't Dragredder know Gai already has a contract? What, are he and the rhino gonna split Gai if he dies? Four IT'S PAPER. God, I was kind of okay with it because the decks DIDN'T appear to be one set of cards, but this is just dumb. Why make these incredible abilities into cards? This is dumb, even dumber than when the Cockroach dopant stole W's memories. See, the W driver is a very experimental device, and W himself is pretty quick. Plus, the Roach dopant had super speed. This is just... why did Ryuki even hesitate? He was using his ADVENT, not his Final Vent. Dragredder wouldn't have killed Gai, just fought the rhino. Quote: Originally Posted by Den-O Magnugiga is the most beastly of beasts for contract monsters. I'm not buying Zolda until I can afford him and Magnugiga. Last edited by SPLIT LIP; 06-24-2013 at 09:52 PM..