[SanoBaron]

Be a little lenient on Victory. At least dont be too upset at Tomino about it. He was going through depression during that time.

[Powerman293]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

Oh god yes. That show is so broken in terms of story telling. It's just the weakest plot ever. Dry characters & non-existent plot coupled with more than a few unnecessary and weirdly unorthodox MS designs make Victory one of my least favorite series. Right down at the bottom with Reconguista & 0080.

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Originally Posted by SanoBaron

Be a little lenient on Victory. At least dont be too upset at Tomino about it. He was going through depression during that time.

It's partially Bandai's fault also for fucking with the show when they bought Sunrise. And there's rumors that Tomino tried to make Victory unappealing in order to tank so Gundam could get left alone by Bandai.

[SanoBaron]

Like, in the long run, I don't think Bandai has been bad with the franchise for the most part.

But depression can still be a serious thing. Thankfully he overcame it from what I can tell.

[Powerman293]

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Originally Posted by SanoBaron

Like, in the long run, I don't think Bandai has been bad with the franchise for the most part.

Yeah, in the long run they've done fine. It's just they severely mishandled it very early on.

[Kiryu]

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Originally Posted by SanoBaron

Be a little lenient on Victory. At least dont be too upset at Tomino about it. He was going through depression during that time.

His depression goes as far back as Zeta Gundam, it could be a factor but I don't think we can use it as an excuse.

[XW1n5t0nX]

The main factor was, as Power said, probably that Bandai fucked around with it. Supposedly they had the team re-arrange episodes air wise so that the cooler looking suits would be right up front, thus gaining quicker sales for the models. It didn't really matter though because they didn't sell the planned target number.

[WhiteRanger]

Anime limited as announced on there facebook that they will be releasing zeta and double zeta as well with there partnership of with sunrise in the UK

[ZeoRangerV]

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Anime limited as announced on there facebook that they will be releasing zeta and double zeta as well with there partnership of with sunrise in the UK

And Turn A.

[KyoryuGreen]

Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 4: I continue to enjoy this series. I like the issues it deals with like keeping the organization open and how all the people work to help support their families. Mikazuki continues being intriguing I like how much he cares about the others that when they were in danger he went crazy against choking that one guy. Besides that, I also enjoyed him with Bernstein and how he's trying to show her exactly what was going on with their way of life. I like Orga has the leader of the Tekkadan especially just how he's running things and his spirit as a born leader. The Blue and Blonde hair guys are interesting from Gjallarhorn, I am intrigued to see how they develop. The character's are interesting and I am interested with where the storyline is going so I can't wait for more.

[Den-O]

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Originally Posted by Kiryu

His depression goes as far back as Zeta Gundam, it could be a factor but I don't think we can use it as an excuse.

Yeah I don't really find his depression excuses him on Victory. He was severely depressed, the worst in his life in fact, when he made Zeta and it was a masterpeice. The characters deaths and darker tone can be attributed directly to that. Victory has those same elements, just with horribly one-dimensional and undeveloped characters.

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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX

The main factor was, as Power said, probably that Bandai fucked around with it. Supposedly they had the team re-arrange episodes air wise so that the cooler looking suits would be right up front, thus gaining quicker sales for the models. It didn't really matter though because they didn't sell the planned target number.

There's no supposedly about it, episode "1" is actually episode 4. Bandai changed the airing order because they wanted the main suit to appear in the first episode. Which is absurd to do to a show mid-production but it happened.

The fact of the matter is that he was depressed when he made victory, he objected to the Sunrise/Bandai merger which infuriated him, and he actually hated the characters he created for this series. It's just dreadful for a number of reasons. I don't think it can all be lain at his feet, but a good chunk of the blame can fall on him.