[Kn1ghtW0lf87]

Yeah I think if you want a "Happy Go Lucky" version of Gundam go watch Build Fighters......Which really isn't all that bad IMO

[Guyver Spawn]

Gundam Build Fighters is a good Gundam show for younger kids. I do like having a good serious Gundam show too. If parents want younger kids to watch Gundam then they could have them watch Build Fighters or the SD Gundam shows.

[Yellow Ranger]

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Gundam Build Fighters is a good Gundam show for younger kids. I do like having a good serious Gundam show too. If parents want younger kids to watch Gundam then they could have them watch Build Fighters or the SD Gundam shows.

Or 0079,ZZ,F91,G,X,Wing,Seed,Turn A etc...

Let's face it guys most Gundam shows are for kids it's mostly the OVAs that are aimed at older fans.

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In general though they really aren't that upbeat though. They may sport a bit of a shine or some fun moments, but its still in the end fairly tragic war stories.

He blew up a plane of politicians because he was told and tricked in to do doing. He began terrorizing the Earth because he was brainwashed and told to do so, costing some civilian and innocent lives in the process probably. So yeah, Mika is way worse than a brainwashed terrorist who was tricked into killing harmless politicians and brainwashed and ordered to fuck shit up on Earth and in possibly harming innocent lives because of it.

Most are only tragic in the end because someone close to the protagonist died in the closing arc and in 0079's case it was idiotic and felt forced given that Lalah and Amuro barley knew each other,Lalah was a massive hypocrite and her death was her own fault and even it ended on a high note because Amuro was found by White Base and Char avenged his family. That's the key difference though he was tricked into thinking he was dealing with dangerous individuals who were a threat to the colonies and regretted that mistake You mean fighting against a tyrannical and oppressive regime that terrorized the colonies. He only deliberately fired on trained soldiers who weren't defenseless aside from mostly empty threats to Relena. The only time in the show he deliberately threatened innocents/helpless targets aside from Relena was when Epyon drove him insane.

[2ndSndWve]

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Or 0079,ZZ,F91,G,X,Wing,Seed,Turn A etc...

Let's face it guys most Gundam shows are for kids it's mostly the OVAs that are aimed at older fans

I don't think there's a single kid alive that could endure an episode of Turn A with losing interest. Wing and SEED were pretty dark too.

[Guyver Spawn]

G and Wing are a bit too old too. Kids these days may be turn off by the old animation. I seen younger anime fans who don't like watching old anime because the style for them is hard to watch. Kids these days are used to the modern anime style that we had for the last decade.

[XW1n5t0nX]

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Or 0079,ZZ,F91,G,X,Wing,Seed,Turn A etc...

0079: Parents are either killed or family splits open, family issues, political back stabbings, a loved one dies and traumatizes two people.

F91: Same as 79 but without the lover.

Wing: Teenagers are brainwashed and forced to kill people, backstabbings, politic discussion, moral dilemmas, philosophy on peace and what it truly is

X: Mistreatment of specific types of people, 79 and Wing.

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Most are only tragic in the end because someone close to the protagonist died in the closing arc and in 0079's case it was idiotic and felt forced given that Lalah and Amuro barley knew each other,Lalah was a massive hypocrite and her death was her own fault and even it ended on a high note because Amuro was found by White Base and Char avenged his family. That's the key difference though he was tricked into thinking he was dealing with dangerous individuals who were a threat to the colonies and regretted that mistake.

So only bad stuff happens at the end? Bull shit. Kamille's parents were killed off in the first five episodes, his mother being given up by his father with Kamille forced to watch it. Dark and tragedy don't just happen in the end. Tomino's said it, war is tragic and dark in general, and it is a fact that rings true throughout entertainment and real life. War is shown in Gundam as being just that; tragic, dark, brutal, and unforgiving. Not just at the end because "Herp derp time for stuff to get serious."

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You mean fighting against a tyrannical and oppressive regime that terrorized the colonies. He only deliberately fired on trained soldiers who weren't defenseless aside from mostly empty threats to Relena. The only time in the show he deliberately threatened innocents/helpless targets aside from Relena was when Epyon drove him insane.

Again, you seem to be forgetting Heero mercilessly taking out a plan full of politicians because he was told to do so and tricked in the process. Not to mention he was raised/taught to kill anybody/everybody he was told to or considered an enemy, including threatening a teenage girl because why the heck not.

[Yellow Ranger]

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I don't think there's a single kid alive that could endure an episode of Turn A with losing interest. Wing and SEED were pretty dark too.

Wing and Seed are only dark when you look deeper into the backstory for each otherwise Wing's a typical 90s shounen anime with shojo elements sprinkled in to bait females into watching whereas Seed's a typical and mediocre romance drama with giant robots thrown in.

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0079: Parents are either killed or family splits open, family issues, political back stabbings, a loved one dies and traumatizes two people.

F91: Same as 79 but without the lover.

Wing: Teenagers are brainwashed and forced to kill people, backstabbings, politic discussion, moral dilemmas, philosophy on peace and what it truly is

X: Mistreatment of specific types of people, 79 and Wing.



So only bad stuff happens at the end? Bull shit. Kamille's parents were killed off in the first five episodes, his mother being given up by his father with Kamille forced to watch it. Dark and tragedy don't just happen in the end. Tomino's said it, war is tragic and dark in general, and it is a fact that rings true throughout entertainment and real life. War is shown in Gundam as being just that; tragic, dark, brutal, and unforgiving. Not just at the end because "Herp derp time for stuff to get serious."



Again, you seem to be forgetting Heero mercilessly taking out a plan full of politicians because he was told to do so and tricked in the process. Not to mention he was raised/taught to kill anybody/everybody he was told to or considered an enemy, including threatening a teenage girl because why the heck not.

Those would be great examples if they weren't either mostly glanced over in favor of more toy robot fights,have little effect on the main cast outside of a couple episodes,largely only happen to unsympathetic characters and often feel forced and are caused by plot induced idiocy in an attempt to add tragedy.

And as I said before Zeta*which is what you quoted* and Victory are the exceptions because they actually show the toll war takes on young and old soldiers and the loss of innocence it causes*not just tell us it does*,have the protagonists suffer genuine tragedy*compare Four's deaths in both versions of Zeta to Lalah's and Flay's and how the protagonist reacts to them and tell me which feels less forced and stupid or compare Kamile and Uso losing almost everyone they care about to betrayal or war to the point where Fa and Shakti are like consolation prizes to almost all of Amuro,Seabook,Heero,Garrod and Kira's friends and allies surviving in the end* and not ending on a necessarily positive note*Uso and Shakti survive while losing all their loved ones and Katejina lives but becomes blind,helpless and possibly brain damaged and Fa's horror-struck face and breaking down in tears when discovering Kamile's state after he destroys The O compared to Amuro,Seabook and Kira's tearful reunions with their friends and loved ones,Heero successfully blowing up an asteroid while an upbeat pop song plays and the where are they now epilogue of X*.

Which as I explained the difference is it was a mistake he made and regretted in the name of protecting innocent lives not an act of cold blooded murder.

The difference lies in motive,intent and how the respective characters reacted to the situations.

Yes and he largely rejected those teachings to become a protector and also a suicidal death seeker because of guilt caused by accidentally killing an innocent girl in the past.

Who he gave several chances to avoid being killed by him by simply leaving him alone of-course Relena wouldn't be Relena if she didn't try her hardest to earn the award that shares her adopted surname...

[ZeoRangerV]

Yeah, I have to agree that most of Wing's "darkness" comes from supplemental material rather than the show itself.

[Kn1ghtW0lf87]

Hell a lot of things can be dark when you twist it right

[SanoBaron]

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0079: Parents are either killed or family splits open, family issues, political back stabbings, a loved one dies and traumatizes two people.

dont forget a fucking HEADSHOT with a bazooka.