[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

Pabst Blue Ribbon. The beer of hipsters.

Oh, well I don't own a fedora, have half-rim glasses and don't drink or smoke.

I'm like, a hipster hipster. Doesn't that technically make me normal?

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Because there's nothing TO enjoy. None of the characters are any real fun to watch, none of the action (while perfectly fine) is that incredible. The story has nothing amazing to it. There's no hook. There's nothing that takes us in and makes us want to watch and accept all the other bad stuff. There's no memorable characters, no really unique, deep story, not even the suits are all that interesting. They're all, even the bad guys, just bland to look at on screen. Not even bad, just bland.

There's literally nothing Wizard gives us that a past series doesn't give us more of. It's completely vanilla in every way and that REALLY makes the flaws apparent. There's no hyper-charrismatic lead to carry it, no interesting premise like a mirror world, half-and-half rider, floating arm made of medals or train full of crazy monsters, no badass suits or incredible action, even the belt is boring. (and sounds awful) It's a good guy fighting generic villains and everything is textbook first step to making Kamen Rider.

Like I say, I still like Haruto and he made it enjoyable for me. There is no point going into this again but no matter how much you say he is shit like it's a fact I still stand by every bit of evidence to say otherwise. All the other characters are fairly shit tho.

I think it has better action than OOO which always felt weirdly restrained and cheap, I think Flame Styles and Flame Dragon are both great, none of the other upgrades or suits are all that great though. It still has about as much hook, and depth as Fourze or OOO. But I give you it on the villains.

Ankh was my least favourite main character in OOO, for the record, I only enjoyed him when he died because it was the only time his character grew.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I find it ironic that you're saying Wizard is too mainstream to be liked when you decry the most popular series (Thus, the "Mainstream" thing to like) as bad or extremely flawed.
In the end, we're all hipsters for even liking Henshin Hero shows unironically

The only mainstream series I flat out didn't like was Kuuga. I just give more balanced arguments for my other series as I enjoy being critical of them. Like I love Wizard and OOO but I will go into length about their many, many flaws.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Like I say, I still like Haruto and he made it enjoyable for me. There is no point going into this again but no matter how much you say he is shit like it's a fact I still stand by every bit of evidence to say otherwise. All the other characters are fairly shit tho.

Thing is we don't really disagree all that much except on Haruto.

And really, even you should understand why people wouldn't like it if the only reason to watch the show is just the main character and nothing else. You say Haruto is great yet freely admit the rets of the cast blows yet can't understand why people dislike it?

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Ankh was my least favourite main character in OOO, for the record, I only enjoyed him when he died because it was the only time his character grew.

I meant as far as a unique spin. OOO has other strengths, but my point is the reason series these days are so wildly different when approaching the Kamen Rider thing is because they have to be in order to not be bland as hell. It's gotten to the point where "I can transform into a superhero freely of my own volition without any catch or augmentation to my behavior" is really, really fucking boring. He just recives powers out of nowhere, never earning or struggling to obtain these gifts.

What does Wizard do? He puts on the belt and gains super powers. What does, say, W do? Why, W is actually two people. And he can change the different halves of his body. OOO, at first, isn't even allowed to transform whenever he wants, and he has the three sections. Den-O gets possessed and his personality overwritten by an invading spirit when he transforms. Ryuki teleports to another dimension and works with a monster that is only there to eat him when he loses. Fourze is basically Inspector Gadget. Wizard... fight monsters. He sometimes enters a person's memories... which is actually something Den-O did, and better, but wasn't as interesting to note as the possesion thing. And Wizard barely does that to the point where I don't count it as the premise.

Wizard's biggest shortcoming is, for lack of a better term, his gimmick. The magic is boring, and is pretty basic. Only a few of his spells are unique, and they're not even spells. He literally just puts a ring on. He's not a Wizard, he's not magic, he's just using tools. The entire point of the show is a lie. That isn't really the problem in and of itself, but because the rest of the show is uninspired or insipid, it's really fucking boring to watch. Putting your hand over your belt in such an unenergetic way just makes it look like he's going through the motions. Nothing is exciting, nobody even pretends to be exciting! His Henshin pose is him just sticking his arm out!

And just as a clarificational procedure, this is all merely my explanation, and hypothesis, as to why I and others don't like Wizard.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

Thing is we don't really disagree all that much except on Haruto.

And really, even you should understand why people wouldn't like it if the only reason to watch the show is just the main character and nothing else. You say Haruto is great yet freely admit the rets of the cast blows yet can't understand why people dislike it?

I meant as far as a unique spin. OOO has other strengths, but my point is the reason series these days are so wildly different when approaching the Kamen Rider thing is because they have to be in order to not be bland as hell. It's gotten to the point where "I can transform into a superhero freely of my own volition without any catch or augmentation to my behavior" is really, really fucking boring. He just recives powers out of nowhere, never earning or struggling to obtain these gifts.

What does Wizard do? He puts on the belt and gains super powers. What does, say, W do? Why, W is actually two people. And he can change the different halves of his body. OOO, at first, isn't even allowed to transform whenever he wants, and he has the three sections. Den-O gets possessed and his personality overwritten by an invading spirit when he transforms. Ryuki teleports to another dimension and works with a monster that is only there to eat him when he loses. Fourze is basically Inspector Gadget. Wizard... fight monsters. He sometimes enters a person's memories... which is actually something Den-O did, and better, but wasn't as interesting to note as the possesion thing. And Wizard barely does that to the point where I don't count it as the premise.

Wizard's biggest shortcoming is, for lack of a better term, his gimmick. The magic is boring, and is pretty basic. Only a few of his spells are unique, and they're not even spells. He literally just puts a ring on. He's not a Wizard, he's not magic, he's just using tools. The entire point of the show is a lie. That isn't really the problem in and of itself, but because the rest of the show is uninspired or insipid, it's really fucking boring to watch. Putting your hand over your belt in such an unenergetic way just makes it look like he's going through the motions. Nothing is exciting, nobody even pretends to be exciting! His Henshin pose is him just sticking his arm out!

It was less of a 'watch Wizard you twats' () and more a 'why are you so forgiving of these flaws in other series and not in this one?' Wizard has a great central Rider and stunning fight scenes so you think that would appeal to an audience of some sort, but Wizard seems to almost be unanimously hated. And I don't get it.

Personally I think Beast is much more wasted than Haruto is, his base form gimmick is really cool but he's CONSTANTLY in the background unless the plot is specifically about him and his base form was quickly replaced by Ultimate Warrior with a Water Pistol, it just seems like such a waste. In many senses Beast could have probably made for a better main Rider with Haruto as his badass support.

It is a real shame though that the first Rider series to use magic is actually more like a shitty version of Green Lantern...as in the Earth 2 one, seems like a waste, especially as Urban Fantasy is one of my all time favourite genres.

Could you imagine like Harry Dresden becoming a Rider? With Bob turning into his bike or something? Awesome.

[Kagezuno]

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Originally Posted by Locke

his base form was quickly replaced by Ultimate Warrior with a Water Pistol,

Sir, you are my hero for this.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I don't understand why people aren't enjoying it, but then I can't understand why people hate Haruto either so I guess it is something I will never understand. I think Wizard has some fantastic action that gets me through the shittier arcs.

While, like you, I am enjoying Wizard, I can understand why others would not. For me, however, if I hated Wizard, I would have to hate Black because Wizard is making the same mistakes Black made with so much wasted potential. Nevertheless, these last 8-12 episodes (if it really does run into Oct) could make or break the series as a whole. I have been giving pretty positive thoughts to Wizard, but I have also been holding out on what I do not like about it (aside from useless Koyomi and Shunpei) until it is done. Yes, I like it better than OOO, but the ending of this show could completely ruin it as OOO had a very good ending to it.

As for Beast's hyper form, you don't know much about ancient civilizations do you? Especially those along the fertile crescent such as Babylon, Asyria, Sumeria, etc.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

While, like you, I am enjoying Wizard, I can understand why others would not. For me, however, if I hated Wizard, I would have to hate Black because Wizard is making the same mistakes Black made with so much wasted potential. Nevertheless, these last 8-12 episodes (if it really does run into Oct) could make or break the series as a whole. I have been giving pretty positive thoughts to Wizard, but I have also been holding out on what I do not like about it (aside from useless Koyomi and Shunpei) until it is done. Yes, I like it better than OOO, but the ending of this show could completely ruin it as OOO had a very good ending to it.

That is what I can't understand. Why people accept some warts and yet others they don't give a chance, even when both things are making the same mistake. I could understand if Wizard had NOTHING to offer but that just isn't true and I could understand if Wizard was somehow making the same mistakes but somehow worse but that isn't true either.

I can perfectly understand and accept you don't like Wizard but just saying Wizard is shit, period, in one moment and gargling the cock of a similar series making the same mistakes the next I just find an infuriating opinion, even if it's yours to have.

I don't care about ancient civilisations either, all I know is Beast went from a cool power set and gimmick to a laser pistol and some tassels and that is rubbish.

[Dr Kain]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I don't care about ancient civilisations either, all I know is Beast went from a cool power set and gimmick to a laser pistol and some tassels and that is rubbish.

Well that is your problem. You are not understanding where Beast's hyper mode is coming from with the tassels and stuff.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

Well that is your problem. You are not understanding where Beast's hyper mode is coming from with the tassels and stuff.

I don't care about the meaning if it is visually unimpressive and less impressive than his base powers.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Locke

It was less of a 'watch Wizard you twats' () and more a 'why are you so forgiving of these flaws in other series and not in this one?'

And I already told you. Because other shows have things worth forgiving the flaws. Wizard is JUST flaws and blandness. Haruto, even if I did like him, is not enough to forgive the show for literally every other aspect being pap.

There's just nothing going on. The show is so bland and when it's not bland it's annoying.