Kamen Rider Gaim Episode 18: "Farewell, Beat Riders" Discussion

Den-O · 02-17-2014, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO

Makes me think that in the Suika Arms above Baron in episode one, it isn't Kurokages, but an army of Knuckles on his side.

But you can see the Kurokages. If it's an argument of what's actually in that footage it is the Kurokage Troopers. I don't doubt that the scene will change when it eventually happens. But as it stands that's not Knuckle in any of them.

Locke · 02-17-2014, 11:25 PM

If that opening scene is even anything to do with these characters, that is. As theories on what Micchy saw has thrown all kinds of ideas around, including alternative dimensions and time travel. And as far as I'm aware there are no conformations anywhere as to what that scene relates to yet, right?

KamenRiderOOO · 02-17-2014, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Den-O

But you can see the Kurokages. If it's an argument of what's actually in that footage it is the Kurokage Troopers. I don't doubt that the scene will change when it eventually happens. But as it stands that's not Knuckle in any of them.

Actually, something has come to mind after observing the footage again that makes me rethink whether Kurokages or Knuckles are in the Suika Arms in Baron's side.

Knuckle's body shot

Kurokage body shot

Yet, look closely at the Riders in the Suika Arms (Might wanna zoom in)-

Their legs are more similar to the Baron/Gridon format...

Den-O · 02-17-2014, 11:28 PM

Urobutchi specifically said it's a possible future. Not necessarily the future that's going to happen. He admits the show will generally move towards that scene but that the players and setting will change. Which is what I'm saying. As far as the actual footage is concerned it is what it is. But we have no idea how much of that scenario will be intact by the end of the series.

KRX · 02-17-2014, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Den-O

But you can see the Kurokages. If it's an argument of what's actually in that footage it is the Kurokage Troopers. I don't doubt that the scene will change when it eventually happens. But as it stands that's not Knuckle in any of them.

It could be that the Gridon we saw in that seen was actually a Donguri Arms Knuckle. Yes, the colors don't match, but it's possible.

Also, did anyone else notice that Gaim's reflection in the sponsor message is different?

Locke · 02-17-2014, 11:33 PM

Not the reflection thing again!

conundrum · 02-17-2014, 11:49 PM

I think I got whip-lash from this episodes shift in tone from say, the last 17 episodes.

I mean, not every episode has been full on super serious, but this entire episode just seemed, well, silly (and not in a good way).

"Hey guys, the whole city hates us so let's put on a dance show to make them like us!"

Also, count me in with those that think that Bravo will be on his way out soon. That's two weeks in a row now that Gaim has completely stomped him. I would rather see him die than continue to degrade further into a slapstick charicature of his former bad-ass self.

Kiryu · 02-17-2014, 11:53 PM

A light hearted episode like t his was after what a barrage we've gotten in the last few episodes.

Seeing the dance teams come together and overcoming Bravo's sabotage was pretty inspiring too.

If this really is the last the show will touch upon the whole Beat Rider things I think it was a very nice end cap on it. Oh and Bravo stabbing himself with his own sword was the perfect Karma slap.

Locke · 02-17-2014, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by conundrum

I think I got whip-lash from this episodes shift in tone from say, the last 17 episodes.

I mean, not every episode has been full on super serious, but this entire episode just seemed, well, silly (and not in a good way).

"Hey guys, the whole city hates us so let's put on a dance show to make them like us!"

Also, count me in with those that think that Bravo will be on his way out soon. That's two weeks in a row now that Gaim has completely stomped him. I would rather see him die than continue to degrade further into a slapstick charicature of his former bad-ass self.

The worst thing about the dance show crap was that it worked. Like for me that was the silliest thing of all, you could have easily chalked off them just being naive children in putting this show together, as Gaim is a show that has proven to really understand its characters. But the fact that then the whole city were like 'DERP WE WERE SO WRONG THAT DANCE SHOW HAS CHANGED OUR MINDS'. Just...why? How? What? No, wait, please don't answer that, let's drop it.

Also yeah I hate how Bravo has become a backup villain for when the show doesn't want to actually advance the plot or the characters.

KRX · 02-17-2014, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Not the reflection thing again!

I wouldn't have mentioned it if they hadn't showed the transition:

02-17-2014, 11:21 PM	#51
Den-O Admin AKA Zordon Content Director @DenO_TokuNation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 16,328	Quote: Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO Makes me think that in the Suika Arms above Baron in episode one, it isn't Kurokages, but an army of Knuckles on his side. But you can see the Kurokages. If it's an argument of what's actually in that footage it is the Kurokage Troopers. I don't doubt that the scene will change when it eventually happens. But as it stands that's not Knuckle in any of them. __________________

02-17-2014, 11:25 PM	#52
Locke Big Bad Wolf. Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raiding tombs. Posts: 9,529	If that opening scene is even anything to do with these characters, that is. As theories on what Micchy saw has thrown all kinds of ideas around, including alternative dimensions and time travel. And as far as I'm aware there are no conformations anywhere as to what that scene relates to yet, right? __________________

02-17-2014, 11:28 PM	#53
KamenRiderOOO Resident Customizer The Guy with the Voices @TrueKROOO Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 11,089	Quote: Originally Posted by Den-O But you can see the Kurokages. If it's an argument of what's actually in that footage it is the Kurokage Troopers. I don't doubt that the scene will change when it eventually happens. But as it stands that's not Knuckle in any of them. Actually, something has come to mind after observing the footage again that makes me rethink whether Kurokages or Knuckles are in the Suika Arms in Baron's side. Knuckle's body shot Kurokage body shot Yet, look closely at the Riders in the Suika Arms (Might wanna zoom in)- Their legs are more similar to the Baron/Gridon format... __________________ My signature disappeared. Help.

02-17-2014, 11:28 PM	#54
Den-O Admin AKA Zordon Content Director @DenO_TokuNation Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 16,328	Urobutchi specifically said it's a possible future. Not necessarily the future that's going to happen. He admits the show will generally move towards that scene but that the players and setting will change. Which is what I'm saying. As far as the actual footage is concerned it is what it is. But we have no idea how much of that scenario will be intact by the end of the series. __________________

02-17-2014, 11:31 PM	#55
KRX Mild-Mannered Reporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Everywhere and nowhere, according to String Theory. Posts: 5,462	Quote: Originally Posted by Den-O But you can see the Kurokages. If it's an argument of what's actually in that footage it is the Kurokage Troopers. I don't doubt that the scene will change when it eventually happens. But as it stands that's not Knuckle in any of them. It could be that the Gridon we saw in that seen was actually a Donguri Arms Knuckle. Yes, the colors don't match, but it's possible. Also, did anyone else notice that Gaim's reflection in the sponsor message is different? __________________ \|Tumblr\|Twitter\|Pinterest\|