Kamen Rider Gaim Episode 20: "The End of the World, the Invasion Begins" Discussion

Locke · 03-03-2014, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

Is he really the secondary hero, though? Isn't it possible that this show doesn't have a main Rider/secondary Rider dichotomy and Baron is just positioning himself as Gaim's ultimate enemy?

My thoughts exactly, as this show has bucked the trend in every other regard, why adhere to this tired cliché then?

Suzu · 03-03-2014, 06:25 AM

So seriously, how is Urobuchi gonna keep this up? And I'm not just talking about the pacing but rather about him being allowed to do all this creepy shit. Admitted, this episode felt slidely disturbing. It feels like the whole thing is going more and more to hell now. It's still good, but for a show that's part of children's TV program at 8 a.m., this is just crazy.

By now, I'm pretty sure that 90 % of the cast are just totally nuts in one way or another.
And poor Kouta ;_;

Electric Turahk · 03-03-2014, 09:40 AM

Well now that I know what was all said...

Yep, Kaito's one messed up son of a bitch. :|

I wonder how much longer Kouta's going to be in the dark about Yuuya. I expected it to be brought back up after they were interrupted this episode but that never happened. I also wonder even more how Micchy will take his knowing the truth...

xSkullheartx · 03-03-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

Is he really the secondary hero, though? Isn't it possible that this show doesn't have a main Rider/secondary Rider dichotomy and Baron is just positioning himself as Gaim's ultimate enemy?

Honestly,I do believe he is the secondary hero.He's had a ton of focus as of late,and this is the first we've seen him snap.The reason why I'm holding out on him still being good is because this was a speech.....that's it.He did nothing wrong,he's done no evil actions,so as far as I'm concerned yeah,Baron to me is still the secondary hero.

If I'm wrong,then I'm wrong,but aside from that I just had a lightbulb turn on.

The DJ is evil.The reason I say this is because now we know that Yggdrasil is trying to stop the end of the world,right? Who has been supplying Gaim with the lock seeds and upgrades to stop Yggdrasil,who have been trying to stop the spread of Helheim? I know you would say that he's just trying to help Gaim,but he was with Yggdrasil from the start,so he knows they're trying to stop it,and with Ryouma's reaction to Kaitou's speech about letting it happen,I can see why Ryouma isn't worried about the DJ.

ComicGuy89 · 03-03-2014, 10:36 AM

Damn, this episode is really something. This show keeps upping itself that I simply have no words to say.

It was such a chatty episode, but it fleshed out so much of the story that I'm terribly impressed. I was hooked throughout!

And wow, anyone feel that aside from Kouta all the characters have sliding motivations up and down the morality scale? Yet, when you think about it, they are all remarkably consistent in characterization. It's just how the show frames it, one moment Micchy and Takatora seem like villains while Kaito's a hero, and the next it's a complete face turn. Yet they've always remained true to themselves.

XW1n5t0nX · 03-03-2014, 11:13 AM

Kaito you are one sick man.

Well that was one hell of an episode. This show gets more interesting with every episode.

ElConvoy · 03-03-2014, 12:35 PM

Time to get out the "Kaito broke my heart" shirt

Damn this Episode was intense. The worldbuilding in this show is just phenomenal and I cant wait to know more about the Helheim.

uchihabro77 · 03-03-2014, 02:49 PM

Seeing this subed made me go 'WTF' even more! Kaito seems like he is crazy as hell, and the rest of Yggdrasil seems to fit, Takatora I think will get booted from the group and he, Micchy, Kouta, and Knuckle will go against the others... Though I wouldnt say that about Micchy, who knows what the hell he has up his scarf

SPLIT LIP · 03-03-2014, 02:58 PM

That banana in his helmet goes clear through to the brain. He's crazay.

But he's that "everyone knows he's crazzay" crazy that makes me wonder what's next.

Kiryu · 03-03-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP

That banana in his helmet goes clear through to the brain. He's crazay.

But he's that "everyone knows he's crazzay" crazy that makes me wonder what's next.

You just had to let that one slip didn't you?

03-03-2014, 05:55 AM	#51
Locke Big Bad Wolf. Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raiding tombs. Posts: 9,529	Quote: Originally Posted by Switchblade Is he really the secondary hero, though? Isn't it possible that this show doesn't have a main Rider/secondary Rider dichotomy and Baron is just positioning himself as Gaim's ultimate enemy? My thoughts exactly, as this show has bucked the trend in every other regard, why adhere to this tired cliché then? __________________

03-03-2014, 09:40 AM	#53
Electric Turahk Tokusatsu Hero Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,525	Well now that I know what was all said... Yep, Kaito's one messed up son of a bitch. :\| I wonder how much longer Kouta's going to be in the dark about Yuuya. I expected it to be brought back up after they were interrupted this episode but that never happened. I also wonder even more how Micchy will take his knowing the truth... __________________

03-03-2014, 10:05 AM	#54
xSkullheartx Charging Up! Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Easton,Pennsylvania Posts: 2,463	Quote: Originally Posted by Switchblade Is he really the secondary hero, though? Isn't it possible that this show doesn't have a main Rider/secondary Rider dichotomy and Baron is just positioning himself as Gaim's ultimate enemy? Honestly,I do believe he is the secondary hero.He's had a ton of focus as of late,and this is the first we've seen him snap.The reason why I'm holding out on him still being good is because this was a speech.....that's it.He did nothing wrong,he's done no evil actions,so as far as I'm concerned yeah,Baron to me is still the secondary hero. If I'm wrong,then I'm wrong,but aside from that I just had a lightbulb turn on. The DJ is evil.The reason I say this is because now we know that Yggdrasil is trying to stop the end of the world,right? Who has been supplying Gaim with the lock seeds and upgrades to stop Yggdrasil,who have been trying to stop the spread of Helheim? I know you would say that he's just trying to help Gaim,but he was with Yggdrasil from the start,so he knows they're trying to stop it,and with Ryouma's reaction to Kaitou's speech about letting it happen,I can see why Ryouma isn't worried about the DJ. __________________

03-03-2014, 10:36 AM	#55
ComicGuy89 Master of Water Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,246	Damn, this episode is really something. This show keeps upping itself that I simply have no words to say. It was such a chatty episode, but it fleshed out so much of the story that I'm terribly impressed. I was hooked throughout! And wow, anyone feel that aside from Kouta all the characters have sliding motivations up and down the morality scale? Yet, when you think about it, they are all remarkably consistent in characterization. It's just how the show frames it, one moment Micchy and Takatora seem like villains while Kaito's a hero, and the next it's a complete face turn. Yet they've always remained true to themselves. __________________ \|deviantART link\| Last edited by ComicGuy89; 03-03-2014 at 10:39 AM..

03-03-2014, 11:13 AM	#56
XW1n5t0nX 「蝙蝠騎士の魔界<ブラム>」 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The Catacombs of Ohio Posts: 12,794	Kaito you are one sick man. Well that was one hell of an episode. This show gets more interesting with every episode. __________________