[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

Well I never expected I would have to argue with myself if I think Ghost is worse than Wizard.

And I never expected I would have to argue with myself if I like Ghost even more than Wizard. We're from two very different worlds, you and I.

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Originally Posted by Mmicb0b

also Ryuki's was the worse IMO it was literally Pressing the reset button ON EVERYTHING

Is this a bad time to mention that I think Ryuki's ending made perfect sense for the story it was telling and complaining about the "reset button" part of it misses the point?

[Koh]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

And I never expected I would have to argue with myself if I like Ghost even more than Wizard. We're from two very different worlds, you and I.



Is this a bad time to mention that I think Ryuki's ending made perfect sense for the story it was telling and complaining about the "reset button" part of it misses the point?

Don't worry I agree with you about Ryuki's ending

[Blade Fang]

Hmm...here pro and cos in Kamen Rider Ghost in my opinion:

Pros:
- Ghost, Necrom, Specter, and Dark Ghost has glowing suits like Faiz
- Awesome monster designs (Ganma and Ganmaizers)
- Ghost has Historical Figures as one of main theme. The Historical Figure theme used for Riders and Ganma (probably each Ganmaizers also has Historical Figures as their motif too)
- Akari as genius supporting female character
- Some of memorable characters like Alain, returning Joh Ohara/Yellow Lion actor (Kazuhiko Nishimura) as Ryu Tenkuji, and Fumi Fukushima
- Alain's character development
- Eddith and Royal Ganma Family past looks interesting. Also, interesting Ganma World history especially about conncetion between Ganma World and Great Eye
- Ganma World visual (especially buildings and red sky) looks awesome

Cons:
- Too much focused episode on victim of the week. It would be better if they not used victim of the week storyline after episode 33.
- Frey and Freya appeared in series
- Alia mostly only sitting and not become Dark Necrom P again after she (as Dark Necrom P) defeated by Ganmaizer Planet and Ganmaizer Climate.
- The battle against Ganmaizers after episode 43 become very boring
- Overused Ghost Grateful Damashii and Ghost Mugen Damashii and the Heroic Damashii become rarer to be used after Grateful and Mugen's debut
- After episode 45, many people face become look like Adel's face. I think this looks funny in my opinion.
- The two Specter's Ghost Eyecons (Tutankhamun and Houdini) origin is still not yet revealed. Hmm...maybe they will explain Tutankhamun and Houdini (Machine Hoodie) origin in V-Cinema for Specter. Probably Specter also will obtain Tenkatoitsu Ghost Eyecon in V-Cinema.
- Necrom not have other form after Grimm and Sanzo

[Enchilada645]

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Originally Posted by Blade Fang

- Necrom not have other form after Grimm and Sanzo

You can essentially blame that on the toy for not having a proper blank sound. The only other sound it had was Ghost as the generic sound with any other Eyecon inserted.

It's quite a shame since the Mega Ulorder is essentially the second gear that gets released. It's very underwhelming compared to the Mach Driver in terms of functionality.

And even the Mach Driver gets some things right compared to the Ghost Driver. If there's one function I wish the Ghost Driver had was separate standby sounds. By that I mean if you load Ghost's sound in you get Batchirimina for all the Eyecon's. But if you insert Specter's then you get the Batchirimiro sound for all the Eyecon's, just like how they did it for Mach and Chaser.

[Blade Fang]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

You can essentially blame that on the toy for not having a proper blank sound. The only other sound it had was Ghost as the generic sound with any other Eyecon inserted.

It's quite a shame since the Mega Ulorder is essentially the second gear that gets released. It's very underwhelming compared to the Mach Driver in terms of functionality.

And even the Mach Driver gets some things right compared to the Ghost Driver. If there's one function I wish the Ghost Driver had was separate standby sounds. By that I mean if you load Ghost's sound in you get Batchirimina for all the Eyecon's. But if you insert Specter's then you get the Batchirimiro sound for all the Eyecon's, just like how they did it for Mach and Chaser.

Yes...Mach Driver, Brake Gunner, and White Wizard Driver has many sounds and thats really fun and cool. I am really curious, why they only make four sounds (Necrom, Grimm, Sanzo, and Ghost) in DX Mega Ulorder. Hmm....I am really love Mega Ulorder voices, eyedropper concept, and effects. Mega Ulorder voice really remind me to all belt sounds from Kamen Rider Faiz.

Hmm...it would be interesting too if Ghost Drive can remember which basic Ghost Eyecon (Ghost and Specter) waiting music sounds....

[Kiwami]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

And I never expected I would have to argue with myself if I like Ghost even more than Wizard. We're from two very different worlds, you and I.

Yes the theory is familiar to me. Mirror universe, Earth-Three, Shattered Glass and so on. This pretty much confirms that you’re an evil me from one of those worlds, with a moustache.

It also explains why you like Wizard and Ghost so much: In your dimension these two are actually good, lone successors in a franchise full of terrible shows. I must’ve been blind to not realize this sooner. I mean, the signs are obvious: I’m openly good, you are secretly evil, I dislike bad Rider shows, you like them, I prefer chicken sandwiches, you’re the fish sandwich guy, no moustache, moustache.

The only question which remains is: Why are you writing on a forum board of another dimension? Surely to spread your evil beliefs of the Kamen Rider franchise throughout the multiverse, since I would never do such a thing.

[ZeoRangerV]

So the Great Eye was a giant snitch all this time? Who would have thought it

All in all I think that was a decent enough finale – it could have done some things better but thematically it worked. Despite not enjoying the show all that much I did get a surge of emotion seeing Takeru float down like in the OP and then be greeted by his friends. Same goes for seeing the Ganma wake up as humans. Calling out the fact he talks about being hungry seems incredibly nitpicky though – he was dead, I don’t think something that like needed to have any more attention brought to it than just for a fun little scene at the end.

Surprisingly I quite liked the Great Eyezer costume, just a shame that it got swapped for a CGI monstrosity halfway through the episode. At least it came back for that fight at the end though, which was definitely the action highlight here.

Sidelining Specter and Necrom so severely was a real problem though – they didn’t really do anything at all. On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Genm despite how unnecessary it was.

Yurusen as a cat raises several questions, but I guess if the Ganma were all also humans than I should just go with it. Personality-wise it makes perfect sense so whatever.

Ghost for me will remain a show that had a good idea for an overall plot but went about telling it really badly, but it’s nice to see the show effectively ending on what I would consider a good note.

[barnstenchfartface]

Finally got around to rewatching this episode, my opinion surprisingly hasn't changed much. At first maybe I thought the awesome GENM cameo just put me in a good mood, and I guess that could still be the case, but I think it was about as good a finale for this show as I could have expected. At the very least, I enjoyed it a lot more than 48.

Ultimately, I don't think Ghost is necessarily as terrible a show as people make it out to be, but I also don't think it was really very good. I was very excited about it going into it (this being the first Rider show I watched as it aired, and my general affinity for the suits and gear...at least for most of it). and that sort of came and went throughout the first half of the show, and there's generally been at least something throughout the entire show (even if relatively insignificant like the Ganmaizers) that kept my interest, but by and large I just wasn't able to care about much anything in the show since...a while ago.

But this honestly was a solid enough conclusion for the show that it was, and I can't claim to not have enjoyed it. Even sorta made me remember the days when I was more into it. It was a show with a lot of ideas and, dare I say, nearly infinite potential. I don't think it really took advantage of even most of it. But it did leave me with plenty to think about. And in the end it all came together aptly enough for me to be satisfied, I guess.

I have to wonder how different my opinion of the show would be if I'd watched it after it was over. Wizard, another much reviled show, easily and quickly became one of my favorites when I watched it. Would my inability to nitpick and form expectations week-to-week change how I viewed it and its characters? Would the fact that it would have ended up being a highly unpopular/divisive series to begin with set my expectations low enough that it would inevitably surpass them?

Would I still wish Onari didn't exist? There's at least one question I probably know the answer to.

But I really don't know. A surprising number of complaints I see about the show, as Fish Sandwich has commented on, stem from people either apparently not paying too much attention or just forgetting details about the plot or the setting. Now, I don't really share too many of those complaints, because forgetting stuff isn't a problem I have too much with this show. I've watched every episode at least twice, and was interested in a bunch of the lore stuff so I tended to keep tabs on stuff like the Asahi site and whatnot. But then I think, is that the problem then? Do I remember too much of this stuff? Does suffering through all the cliched lines and Onari-level-gags twice make it look worse than it actually is? Is the series actually a really obtuse and unintuitive mess and the only reason I do kinda understand it is because of the whole watching it twice thing?

Did watching the stupid idol episode twice irreparably damage my opinion of this show? Things to think about.

I guess I'll never really know. Watching the show for a third time to try and figure out if that works better for me is not something I'm particularly keen on doing. So I guess all I can do is shrug, sigh, and hope I like Ex-Aid a lot better (part of me wants to wait until ex-aid is over to give it its fair chance, but even that part knows that's not gonna happen. oh well).

In the end, at least, there's one thing I'm rather grateful about regarding Ghost, and that's that my understanding of Japanese has gotten a ton better over the past year. While not the only factor, watching Ghost raw week to week was honestly very educational and helpful. Helps that the ideas and dialogue in the show were both repetitive and relatively simple, but something is something. For...at least a few months now, it got to the point where I pretty much explicitly understood or at least got the gist of virtually everything in the raw, and just watched subs to clarify some lines and compare/contrast how I would word something vs. O-T. It's been pretty fun. I truly believe without first dipping my toes into raws with Ghost I never would have considered the idea of watching other shows that don't have subs, as I have had to do with, like Suite Precure. Which was a show I enjoyed more than Ghost itself (and taught me a fair amount, too) so...there's that. Thanks for that, Ghost.

Anyways, that's my two 2 am cents on Ghost. Presented in easy to digest indigestible ramble format probably...

[Fish Sandwich]

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

Yes the theory is familiar to me. Mirror universe, Earth-Three, Shattered Glass and so on. This pretty much confirms that you’re an evil me from one of those worlds, with a moustache.

No the other shows are still good here too. It's more Earth-Two or Ultimate Universe than anything. And I don't have a moustache!

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Originally Posted by barnstenchfartface

I have to wonder how different my opinion of the show would be if I'd watched it after it was over. Wizard, another much reviled show, easily and quickly became one of my favorites when I watched it. Would my inability to nitpick and form expectations week-to-week change how I viewed it and its characters? Would the fact that it would have ended up being a highly unpopular/divisive series to begin with set my expectations low enough that it would inevitably surpass them?

I'm gonna go with yes. Ghost really does seem like a show best enjoyed in big chunks for whatever reasons. And it could NEVER be as bad as some people make it sound. I think Kiva was basically that for me.

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In the end, at least, there's one thing I'm rather grateful about regarding Ghost, and that's that my understanding of Japanese has gotten a ton better over the past year. While not the only factor, watching Ghost raw week to week was honestly very educational and helpful. Helps that the ideas and dialogue in the show were both repetitive and relatively simple, but something is something. For...at least a few months now, it got to the point where I pretty much explicitly understood or at least got the gist of virtually everything in the raw, and just watched subs to clarify some lines and compare/contrast how I would word something vs. O-T. It's been pretty fun. I truly believe without first dipping my toes into raws with Ghost I never would have considered the idea of watching other shows that don't have subs, as I have had to do with, like Suite Precure. Which was a show I enjoyed more than Ghost itself (and taught me a fair amount, too) so...there's that. Thanks for that, Ghost.

Oh man I can SO relate to this. I did that with Ultraman X (which I really loved) and it was always so much fun. Before even that I actually watched about half of Cosmos with crappy HK subs that may as well be a raw too. Also super fun! Don't know why I haven't finished it yet! Outside of *technobabble* they're exactly as easily comprehensible as you would expect a show for small children to be.

[Mmicb0b]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

And I never expected I would have to argue with myself if I like Ghost even more than Wizard. We're from two very different worlds, you and I.



Is this a bad time to mention that I think Ryuki's ending made perfect sense for the story it was telling and complaining about the "reset button" part of it misses the point?

if you like it ok no my problem I just REALLY Don't like it when hey do that as the ending