[ZeoRangerV]

Kamen Rider Black 4.

"If we experiment on other humans, we'll be able to find Kotaro's weakness."

That's some very hopeful logic you're using there Gorgom, but okay.

[algo448]

Fourze 42

-Make Tachibana your buddy? Sounds like a good plan.
-I don't think I've ever said it before, but Virgo is awesome, both character and design wise.
-Cosmic again... nobody is suprised.
-You befriended friendship itself, that's beyond awesome.
-So the M-Bus has the victims of the "dark nebula" nice to know.
-I miss Virgo's female voice.
-And Virgo bites the dust, as expected. Those final words T_T
-Saggitarius is... ok I guess, don't care about the design or the character much.
-Double Henshin! Finally!... and they were pawned completely.
-I liked the burial great scene.
-And going by the preview the next Horoscopes is Yuuki as Geminis!? Sounds interesting.

*Edit*
43-44
-Do Shun and Miu ever study?
-I like Geminis design and jester motif, but I'm not sure if it fits her constellation.
-So that's Yuuki family, that explains a lot
-And Gemini is Yuuki's shadow, expected, but I feel it worked well.
-The relationship between Gamou and Dark Yuuki is seriously creepy.

Overall I liked the arc, but since I'm dense as heck I got a question was the couples ticket meant to confirm their relationship or was Yuuki just playing with them?

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by algo448

-And Tachibana is... Virgo WTF! seriously WTF!

The whole Virgo identity twist thing does a good job of summing up why the second half of Fourze was balls.

"Hey so we have like four or five open plot threads, how can we solve all of these in one fell swoop?"
"How about we just smash them all into the same twist, give vague explanations as to how this fits, being full aware it doesn't and not giving a fuck?"
"Get my camera!"

The first half of Fourze was near perfection, it was a high school, so the whole first world problems of the week made way more sense in context than most Kamen Rider shows, so for the show to suddenly decide like half way through it wanted a plot was never going to work. And it didn't. The whole second half was an utter clusterfuck mess.

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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Kamen Rider Black 4.

"If we experiment on other humans, we'll be able to find Kotaro's weakness."

That's some very hopeful logic you're using there Gorgom, but okay.

Golgom are some of the worst villains of all time, don't expect them to get any better.

[Matrixbeast]

Honestly, the only gamebreaker Fourze had with me was the delegation of half the Horoscopes in, like, the last 15 episodes. It was rushed and not a damn one was memorable. It made me pine for the likes of Cancer and Aries again.

I didn't have much issue with Tachibana being both Kengo's father's friend and Virgo because it was a twist I didn't see coming (Well, half of it. I figured Virgo was a man ever since Scorpio was revealed to be a woman, and I guessed Kengo's father's friend was Virgo. Didn't see him also being Tachibana, though.) and it wasn't as forced as what happened with Libra.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Honestly, the only gamebreaker Fourze had with me was the delegation of half the Horoscopes in, like, the last 15 episodes. It was rushed and not a damn one was memorable. It made me pine for the likes of Cancer and Aries again.

I didn't have much issue with Tachibana being both Kengo's father's friend and Virgo because it was a twist I didn't see coming (Well, half of it. I figured Virgo was a man ever since Scorpio was revealed to be a woman, and I guessed Kengo's father's friend was Virgo. Didn't see him also being Tachibana, though.) and it wasn't as forced as what happened with Libra.

Pretty much EVERYTHING in the second half of Fourze was terrible. The upgrade forms were ugly as fuck, the pacing was always either too fast or too damn slow to get any kind of emotional resonance out of anything, once great characters suddenly became caricatures of themselves, storylines began to start repeating over and over in new clothes. It was just really bad.

My issue with the whole Virgo thing is more in principle, in that about five separate plot threads which had never even been hinted as related up until the reveal, were all answered with a single twist. It showed just how much had been planned (nothing) and they really were just making up shit as they went, hoping to create the broadest strokes they physically could.

[Matrixbeast]

It also hurt that they pissed away the potential for a great story arc with Yuuki as Gemini, but decided to just create an evil clone for her so Gen could whoop her ass with no consequence or remorse.

And yeah, I can understand the issues with Virgo. It really would have been a much better twist if they hinted at or led up to it at all.

[algo448]

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Originally Posted by Locke

Pretty much EVERYTHING in the second half of Fourze was terrible. The upgrade forms were ugly as fuck, the pacing was always either too fast or too damn slow to get any kind of emotional resonance out of anything, once great characters suddenly became caricatures of themselves, storylines began to start repeating over and over in new clothes. It was just really bad.

My issue with the whole Virgo thing is more in principle, in that about five separate plot threads which had never even been hinted as related up until the reveal, were all answered with a single twist. It showed just how much had been planned (nothing) and they really were just making up shit as they went, hoping to create the broadest strokes they physically could.

I'm not sure how much of that is true.
The M-Bus/Dark Nebula thing had to be planned with anticipation, Meteor's interactions with Virgo and the fact that they both used Rod-Type weapons also served as foreshadowing. Kinda... maybe I'm overthinking things.

Also so far I don't feel that the second half is awful, it defintely lost some charm around 32-40 but it has been trying to pick up the pace. Leaving all the horoscopes for the last few episodes however was kinda stupid.

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It also hurt that they pissed away the potential for a great story arc with Yuuki as Gemini, but decided to just create an evil clone for her so Gen could whoop her ass with no consequence or remorse.

And yeah, I can understand the issues with Virgo. It really would have been a much better twist if they hinted at or led up to it at all.

While that was a major cop-out i don't think Yuuki as Gemini would have been any better.

[Matrixbeast]

I don't think the M-BUS/Dark Nebula thing was planned ahead, since, after the reveal, it's never brought up or acknowledged again.

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I don't think the M-BUS/Dark Nebula thing was planned ahead, since, after the reveal, it's never brought up or acknowledged again.

What he said. ^

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

It also hurt that they pissed away the potential for a great story arc with Yuuki as Gemini, but decided to just create an evil clone for her so Gen could whoop her ass with no consequence or remorse.

And yeah, I can understand the issues with Virgo. It really would have been a much better twist if they hinted at or led up to it at all.

Basically the first...three maybe...of the Horoscopes were good, the rest were of the week monsters and completely shit. Usually most of them got a fantastic establishing episode, only to be killed off five minutes later.

[algo448]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I don't think the M-BUS/Dark Nebula thing was planned ahead, since, after the reveal, it's never brought up or acknowledged again.

Fair enough, it's just that without that, the M-Bus feels so pointless...

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Originally Posted by Locke

Basically the first...three maybe...of the Horoscopes were good, the rest were of the week monsters and completely shit. Usually most of them got a fantastic establishing episode, only to be killed off five minutes later.

True, the horoscopes were meant to be generals, not expendable monsters.

*Edit*
Fourze 45: So at which point Amano-san forgot he was playing Libra and became Garren?

46: It was all an act don't know whether to feel relieved or dissapointed.