[Sh Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 26 - ?ENVELOPED IN DARKNESS, HIS SWORD IN HAND?

Kento?s story, inevitably, is one of feeling like he doesn?t have any outs. He only saw one path for him, based on his father?s actions. Trapped in the Realm of Shadows, he lived out an endless string of emotionally-eviscerating apocalypses, where no amount of optimism or teamwork could generate a safe resolution. Now he?s back in the world, but he still sees nothing to do but whatever the most isolating path might lead him towards.

It?s easier for him to suggest that his actions are dictated by fate, or by necessity. It means that he can think of himself as a martyr, and ignore how safe that role always made him feel. His pessimism is a choice, and it?s one he?s always made. Even when he was surrounded by friends, he chose to push them away in the name of a vengeance no else ever asked for. He?s the same Kento he?s always been, even if his level of self-destruction is now measured in megatons.

He?s, if anything, the most natural character to put in opposition to Touma.

Touma?s having to grapple with the idea that a cheerful smile and a heartfelt promise might prove unequal to a world where sorrow lasts for millennia and power corrupts all bonds. What do we do when we can?t reach the people we love the most? How do we protect ourselves from the toxicity of that pessimism? How do we find a way to save people for whom salvation feels like ignorance? It?s asking Touma to level up in a way other than collectibles and form changes, which is the most interesting thing a show like this can attempt.

Best episode of this show, and one of my all-time favorite Kamen Rider episodes.

The most shocking moment was when Touma tried to convince Kento that they could change the future by working together as friends, only for Kento to finish his sentence, implying that he's already seen that option through to its hopeless conclusion. It's tragic that Kento was forced to see so many futures leading to the same end of the world and the only one where he can succeed, where he can save all his friends, is the one where he has to seal their Seiken Swords and sacrifice himself all alone as the last Swordsman. He may have been cursed by Kurayami, but he's choosing to stay cursed, by giving in to the darkness that consumed him.

This reveal explains Kamijo's line to Touma from before, "What would you do if you knew the world was destined to end, no matter what you do." Kamijo was chosen by Rekka for his strong will, so he found renewed hope in Touma's determination. But Kento basically has the worst mental state for dealing with Kurayami's visions, although I do think Calibur looks good on him. Make Might A Just No Matter Dark Joke. There's something in that Engrish line from Jaou Dragon's jingle that nicely summarizes the various Calibur-users' means of saving the world, at the expense of so much that's important to them.

It's high praise for you to call it one of your favorite episodes ever, but I can't blame you. This is a serious turning point for the show that manages to keep the uncomfortable status quo of Touma having to fight against his friends even after integrating most of his friends in to Team Saber. Kento is obsessed with following the cold logic in those visions, but Touma will continue to believe in the power of emotions, his promises and the ideal that he can create a future where everybody can be happy together. There's a lot of stuff to look forward to in the third arc!

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Originally Posted by Rei

Heyy, just dropping in after someone told me there was a Saber thread in here. And it happened to be in one of my absolute favorite episodes of the show and is one of the reasons why I maintain Saber as one of, if not, my favorite Reiwa Rider show.

Oh Rei, I was wondering when you'd show up here. Always good to have another person to give Saber the praise it deserves. It's my favorite Reiwa Rider show for sure and when I compare it to Heisei, I think it's going to be hard to top for this era.

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Originally Posted by r4bbitdragon

So here you go?

Thanks! It's convenient to have them all in one place like that.

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

Next: It?s time to mashimashi

Time to Mashimashi and Shake Hands!

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

The difference is that this topic will be new to Kamen Rider Die, but you've brought it up multiple times in related and not-so-related threads. Yes, Gai apologized, he apologized a lot, and yet now in The Outsiders he repeats the path that led him to the need to apologize. But Grease and Three Crows didn't apologize for firing rockets at skyscrapers, but you're not drawn to talk about how terrible and disgusting people they are. While Bild is remembered more often than Saber, I would even say that he and Faiz are the most mentioned rider shows on the site. So, I think it's still a matter of dislike for a particular episode, and not an objective position.
For me personally, the most terrible woman in these shows is still Mai from Gaim. Apparently, for me, inaction is worse than any actions.

Yeah, I was definitely sitting on a time bomb. There was no way I could talk about Episode 25, without talking about that crazy scene. It's weird, I thought maybe it would be easier on a rewatch knowing what comes after, but nope, still grinds my gears. Feels like shock value that's just there to make me dislike a character I already dislike. It's not a completely bad episode though, I did enjoy the argument-to-love-confession between Touma and Rintarou that Mei helped to facilitate.

Interesting opinion you have about Mai anyway, I don't think I've ever heard anybody call her terrible before. It's true that she doesn't do much, other than boosting morale for the dance groups and generally being one of the few characters who isn't corrupt. Just another example after Zack that the most benevolent characters in Gaim are also the weakest. Even as Space Goddess, she doesn't do anything.

[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

The most shocking moment was when Touma tried to convince Kento that they could change the future by working together as friends, only for Kento to finish his sentence, implying that he's already seen that option through to its hopeless conclusion. It's tragic that Kento was forced to see so many futures leading to the same end of the world and the only one where he can succeed, where he can save all his friends, is the one where he has to seal their Seiken Swords and sacrifice himself all alone as the last Swordsman. He may have been cursed by Kurayami, but he's choosing to stay cursed, by giving in to the darkness that consumed him.

Yeah, I think for Kento... I think it's less him having been consumed by darkness, and more him not pretending he wasn't consumed by darkness years ago. This is his natural state, and I think we're in a mode of the characters coming to grips with that. He can still be reached, but this isn't some rough patch he's going through or whatever.

[Enchilada645]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

Oh, for sure. You need all them colors to sell the unity of what Touma's accomplished... but I still don't like looking at it. Like, I wouldn't change it, but it's not a suit I enjoy looking at.

And you know what, I respect that. I still gel with Elemental Dragon, colors and all, but I can get why it isn't exactly pleasing for some. Though I am glad that you understand why it looks that way.

[weedle013ZiO]

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

Next time: I partially borrow En-chan?s schtick and a new character appears who lets me Take A Chance to go Halfway to Forever with an unintentional name similarity.

Wait… both of the Zexal OPs? Yes, this is when Ryoga/ Durendal shows up

[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

In this instance, I was referring to his father's betrayal of the Sword of Logos.

I know, my question was about why that is depicted as the driving motivation behind Kento's actions as Calibur.

[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Actually what should be stopped is degrading anyone who doesn't contribute in 'useful' way such as fighting or science as being totally useless (or paint them as mere whiners), or painting them as using badass fighters for survival and/or 'deliberately putting others in danger'. There's a fucking difference between "can't do the job" or "won't do the job", typically the former happens to more normal characters. S̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶v̶i̶l̶l̶a̶i̶n̶s̶ ̶(̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶R̶e̶i̶k̶a̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶)̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶v̶i̶e̶w̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶p̶e̶r̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶y̶p̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶(̶d̶e̶e̶m̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶,̶ ̶b̶o̶r̶i̶n̶g̶,̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶.̶)̶ ̶d̶u̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶'̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶'̶ ̶v̶i̶e̶w̶, t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶s̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶G̶a̶i̶'̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶v̶i̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶d̶o̶w̶n̶p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶d̶ ̶d̶u̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶i̶m̶ ̶a̶p̶o̶l̶o̶g̶i̶z̶i̶n̶g̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶r̶o̶v̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶D̶i̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶s̶.̶

There are many other ways to contribute, like raising morale, tactics and strategy, effective commanding and leading, analysing and figuring out the opponent?s weakness, acting as the tank to absorb damage yourself while your teammates find a way to win, tactical diversion, delaying your opponents (buying time), etc.

I think you somewhat misunderstood my attitude towards the characters. I have no complaints about characters who do not make a material contribution to the victory of the heroes. Even the lack of emotional input does not bother me. By inaction, I mean the lack of desire, not the ability to intervene. In Gaim's finale, Mai had the power to change the world in her hands. She couldn't use it, but she could choose who to give it to. And I don't even blame her for having doubts between Kota and Kaito. But she is terrible because she never chose, because of which Kota had to kill another friend, and this time it was conscious. I hope I have made my position clear enough.

[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I know, my question was about why that is depicted as the driving motivation behind Kento's actions as Calibur.

It wasn't specifically about Calibur, and more how it's a pattern in Kento's decision-making for the entirety of his life. He's a guy who's always finding a reason to take on a burden.

[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Even as Space Goddess, she doesn't do anything.

And this is the reason. Well, unless my memory and translation fail me.

[Fish Sandwich]

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...Man, I genuinely don't even know where to start. Like, I've kind of dodged really digging into how much I love all the episodes in this arc, in part because it's like, thankfully I wrote most of it down around 2 years ago, but looking back at my post for this one, I feel like it's underselling how much this one means to me, even with all the praise I gave it?

It's like:

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

It's an ending that I literally can't think of another Kamen Rider show attempting

Yeah, I think that sorta starts to get at it. It's like I said earlier -- what makes so many of these berserk form stories so memorable, and what keeps it from feeling as repetitive as it ought to when Zero-One did it literally the prior year, is how they're all saying something very deeply unique and specific to their particular series. Build's always gonna be the one to top, right? It's not just that Hazard Form was legit scary in that debut, it's that the process of us getting from that to RabbitRabbit, seeing Takumi Katsuragi's weapon become the hero only Sento Kiryuu could create, it's a perfect microcosm of so much of what Build was exploring, and that one-two punch of form debuts easily stands as one of the all-time greats in the entire franchise.

And Elemental Primitive Dragon is easily at least on that same level for me. I mentioned how I misunderstood the design of Primitive Dragon at first, and considering Die made similar comments, I suspect that might just have been yet more deliberate intent on the part of the designers. The easy assumption when you first see it is that the hand is this primal force, clutching its unwilling prisoners within its cold grasp, but the reality is completely different. That claw on the book, it's actually a torn up page, because Primitive Dragon's whole gimmick is that its story is missing. The illustrations on the book even bring to mind a black hole, because the truth is that it's a wounded creature, desperately reaching out for something to fill the void where its heart once was.

So of course, inevitably, the thing it finds to fill that void once and for all is another hand, reaching back to help.

It's like the simplest, corniest thing ever, and so perfectly, beautifully Saber in every aspect. We were presented with this uncontrollable raging beast, and through Touma, we grow to understand its motives, empathize with its pain, until eventually, that unknowable creature becomes a friend, and that bond becomes the strength and hope needed to save the day.

Ghost was always extremely good about these things too, you know. To this day, I am immensely fond of Mugen Damashii for how it made Takeru's own empathy for the people around him into rainbow-colored superpowers, and much the same way I have an infinite fondness for that form, it should probably say something that Elemental is now handily my preferred version of Primitive Dragon, even though the original one should clearly be cooler. This episode's emotional climax is just too perfect for me to not end up feeling that way. It perfectly incorporates Touma being a writer, it fits excellently into the overall themes of the series, and is frankly just the kind of heroism I like to see in a story. Heroes and villains alike can destroy obstacles in their path, but only a hero will choose to heal something.

I don't know if this is exactly one of my all-time favorite Rider episodes, viewed as a standalone thing, but it is an unimpeachably crucial episode when it comes to why Saber is a series that means as much to me as it does.

[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

KAMEN RIDER SABER EPISODE 27 - ?I?LL CHANGE YOUR SORROW, INTO A SMILE?

This is the end of the Primitive Dragon arc. What makes this berserker story also unique is that Touma does not defeat or subdue the Dragon. He becomes his friend and uses his talent as a writer to come up with a happy ending for him . After that, everything else fades into the background, but it's still worth saying goodbye to Legiel and noting that the Megid trio has turned into a duet.
P.S. The idea to focus fanfic on Rintaro is very unexpected.