[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Wait, you consider Goseiger better than Carranger? Isn't that like, blasphemy of the highest order?

I kid, I kid. I haven't seen Goseiger yet (and knowing me I'll probably like it), but I'm honestly surprised to see it so high up on anybody's list. Although I suppose, especially in light of Ninninger taking a lot of the heat off, its reputation of being the "worst Sentai ever" has waned quite a bit.

EDIT: Oh wait, I was writing that before you edited it. It's complicated? I guess I retract the question then...

Well, keep in mind, Goseiger is still like #10 on my list. It's pretty far from being a favorite. But I think I do think it's underrated, and I do like it overall more than I like Carranger (though I've never thought to compare the two shows at all until you brought it up... )

Don't get me wrong, Goseiger can be a mess at times, and I get why people declare Carranger a masterpiece (certain episodes of it are among my favorite in all of Sentai -- and I'm a sucker for anything to do with VRV Master and Signalman). I just think Goseiger offers more than Carranger in a lot of ways. Because it's not always undercutting any dramatic moment with satire or parody, it's easier to get invested in Goseiger's drama (whereas with Carranger, you almost get into the drama in spite of the parody aspects working really hard against you taking it seriously). It has a more intricate plot, and it has villains with interesting motives that aren't constantly being reduced to comic relief (Buredorun is a stellar bad guy). There's fantastic action throughout, and there are a lot of great designs. I think Alata is a very compelling and unique Red -- he perfectly embodies the show's overall sense of earnestness that I find very charming. I do understand why it rubs a lot of American fans the wrong way, though. I kind of see it a lot like Kamen Rider Ghost -- this kind of delicate show that doesn't satisfy a lot of fans who are looking for more bold/aggressive series.

I do think the last 10-ish episodes are legit outstanding and make up for a lot of the more toothless episodes that come before. It's a really great finale arc.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Yeah. Gingaman is kind of average and below. Really rather bland.

Bland is right. Other than the episode where Bull Black goes crazy, then sacrifices himself, not much of it made an impact. There's some good writing and well-done action at time, but overall, having seen so many modern shows that improve upon the Gingaman format, it's kind of a let down.

Which sounds way harsher than I mean it to. I still liked Gingaman, for the most part. There's not a Sentai I've seen that I think is 100% bad, so ranking it where I did may seem more damning than I intend.

[Dr Kain]

I've given up on trying to like Goseiger. I will start that show over and over and ony make it to episode 5 before quitting. I just don't like the ranger cast one bit. Right now, the only chance Goseiger has of me actually watching it from start to finish is if Shout! releases it.

[GoldenXtreme]

Deka 37: A concise summary of every Hoji episode would seem to be "Hoji's life sucks." Always getting body swapped, having to kill your best friend, and now taking down your lover's brother. But in all seriousness that was surprisingly good. That might have flipped Hoji from my least favorite to... maybe not my favorite but certainly a better position. I would have liked to have seen this episode have a bit more build up or be more drawn out considering how much drama they packed into this strange, standalone episode. The next episode looks like its back to typical Deka, which is too bad. It looks like it's about Ban having to go fast to prevent a bomb from going off? Hasn't an episode with that exact premise already happened? Man this show...

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Dr Kain

I've given up on trying to like Goseiger. I will start that show over and over and ony make it to episode 5 before quitting. I just don't like the ranger cast one bit. Right now, the only chance Goseiger has of me actually watching it from start to finish is if Shout! releases it.

Why would you keep rewatching the first five episodes? Why not watch, like, the next five episodes...?

I just ask because the first five episodes of any series are generally the weakest, especially in terms of the cast being comfortable with their characters...

(Though I'm not sure you'd be that into Goseiger either way.)

[Kn1ghtW0lf87]

Trying to catch up on Zyuohger before the new Sentai starts which I am actually making my new years resolution to actually start and keep up with a new Sentai as it comes out from start to finish XD

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

Why would you keep rewatching the first five episodes? Why not watch, like, the next five episodes...?

I just ask because the first five episodes of any series are generally the weakest, especially in terms of the cast being comfortable with their characters...

(Though I'm not sure you'd be that into Goseiger either way.)

I don't think it'd change much, to be honest. The characters remain as static as 4/6 of the Gokaigers, the villains don't really improve much until the revelation about Buredoran, and the new headders coming so early and so quickly kind of leaves you fatigued.
The Yuumajuu tribe takes up too much time and stagnates the show and while Gosei Knight is pretty good, his introduction of literally falling out the sky kind of leaves you with whiplash

I don't really hate Goseiger as much as most people here, but there are a lot of moments where I was watching it, eyes half lidded, and just waiting for the episodes to end

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Originally Posted by Kn1ghtW0lf87

Trying to catch up on Zyuohger before the new Sentai starts which I am actually making my new years resolution to actually start and keep up with a new Sentai as it comes out from start to finish XD

Maybe if you catch up on Zyuoh, you can discuss it with us!
Here's to hoping you join us for Kyuranger~

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I don't really hate Goseiger as much as most people here, but there are a lot of moments where I was watching it, eyes half lidded, and just waiting for the episodes to end

Yeah, I'm with you. It's pretty slow and sleep-inducing for the majority of its run, but dang, those last 10-ish episodes elevate the show a ton in my esteem.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

Yeah, I'm with you. It's pretty slow and sleep-inducing for the majority of its run, but dang, those last 10-ish episodes elevate the show a ton in my esteem.

No doubt. Once the Brajira ball starts rolling, it gets crazy good pretty fast. But the complete bore that were the Yuumajuu and the relatively uninteresting and underdeveloped Matrintis really bring things down. I was hoping after the generic Sentai villains, the Warstar arc, ended, things would pick up, but boy was I wrong

[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

No doubt. Once the Brajira ball starts rolling, it gets crazy good pretty fast. But the complete bore that were the Yuumajuu and the relatively uninteresting and underdeveloped Matrintis really bring things down. I was hoping after the generic Sentai villains, the Warstar arc, ended, things would pick up, but boy was I wrong

I'm with you regarding the Warstar and Yuumajuu, but I liked how the Matrintis arc played out. Though I do agree that it's hard to invest in them at first because of how boring and generic the first two villain groups were.

[Matrixbeast]

The Matrintis had potential, but they really kind of fell flat. Only Metal Alice was even given a personality, the big boss (Whose name I forgot) wasn't too memorable, and Buredo-RUN was basically a mindless drone for the majority of their arc, so we didn't even get his normal scheming.

Warstar is basically everything that's wrong with Sentai villains, and the Yuumajuu were basically a walking environmentalism message