[Scythe]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

You're probably the first person to state that the series that introduced you to the franchise was your least favorite...

I don't think I'll ever be in that situation, OOO and Den-O where my firsts.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Scythe

I don't think I'll ever be in that situation, OOO and Den-O where my firsts.

It's not a bad thing.
It's just annoying when responses are "Kiva was a crap series, but it was what got me into the franchise, so it gets a free ride."

[Locke]

I dunno about Free Rides, but there is a softening of the blows if it was your first.

Like Wizard was my first, and I know that it had problems up the butt and as I've watched other shows I really saw how flawed it was, but did I have a great time watching it? Damn right I did, I had never watched Kamen Rider before!

[Scythe]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

It's not a bad thing.
It's just annoying when responses are "Kiva was a crap series, but it was what got me into the franchise, so it gets a free ride."

I get that a lot whenever I recommend a Rider or Sentai series to a friend, it becomes godly to them and get defensive when small flaws are pointed out.

Though OOO and Den-O were my simultaneous firsts, I still want to make it a thing to watch almost all of them cuz they all bring elements I like. I want to watch Amazon cuz I've seen how batshit crazy he gets and dismembers foes, that's metal, I can roll with that. Meanwhile Gaim's fruit theme is doing zero to reel me in. I eventually do want to watch it cuz I'm hoping the show's character's and plot get me hooked and let me overlook the suit designs, but unghh, this is gonna take awhile when i boot up an ep and instantly wonder what Gentaro is doing in Fourze-land.

[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Locke

I dunno about Free Rides, but there is a softening of the blows if it was your first.

Like Wizard was my first, and I know that it had problems up the butt and as I've watched other shows I really saw how flawed it was, but did I have a great time watching it? Damn right I did, I had never watched Kamen Rider before!

I can understand that, but I guess it's when others get oblivious to the obvious problems just so that their introductory series isn't tarnished.

I can understand enjoying any series, the point of the show is for entertainment (And to sell toys but that's not important ), so as long as you're entertained, it's doing it's job right.

But enjoyment and quality don't necessarily correlate. I could enjoy a bowl of cup ramen, but it doesn't make it good

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I can understand that, but I guess it's when others get oblivious to the obvious problems just so that their introductory series isn't tarnished.

I can understand enjoying any series, the point of the show is for entertainment (And to sell toys but that's not important ), so as long as you're entertained, it's doing it's job right.

But enjoyment and quality don't necessarily correlate. I could enjoy a bowl of cup ramen, but it doesn't make it good

Oh I agree with that much, I've always hated the internets attitude that being critical = bad attitude and that a true fan simply swallows shit and keeps their mouth shut. A true fan should recognise the flaws of their favourite shows, and critique it for all it's worth and want it to be the best it could be. Not to simply take it as it comes and hold your hands over your ears going BLAHBLAHBLAH.

[KyoryuBlue]

Wizard and Ryuki...

[Powerman293]

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Originally Posted by KyoryuBlue

Wizard and Ryuki...

Why Ryuki? I can understand Wizard but please explain Ryuki to me.

[XW1n5t0nX]

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Originally Posted by KyoryuBlue

Wizard and Ryuki...

This I gotta hear.

[KyoryuBlue]

Ok so, I just wrote out a long explanation about this and the tab just killed itself twice... XD Darnnit!

The reason I left the ellipse is that I know this is not a very popular opinion. But, I found that the villains, or Anti-Riders had more charisma and character then that of Shinji and Ren. Which for me? Does not balance out to a good show.

Honestly, I found Shinji and Ren just to be very unlikable characters. Shinji being a brash news-reporter who honestly could not care for others, and Ren... who couldn't give two about anything, because he is the "Totally not Batman" character, which is only ironic given the circumstance.

But, I did honestly find myself sympathizing or being emotionally invested in the villians. Zolda? Very interesting, and I was interested in what he may do next.

The same concept applies to Ouja, who at some point I feel the show should have been about, except instead of a serial killer, have him being more of a Spawn / Anti-Hero archetype I feel would be more overall successful.

Don't get me wrong of course, the show itself? Is not unwatchable, and I did enjoy the last ten or so episodes. But, as a whole... It felt as if I was watching a filler with two unlikable douchebags who kept getting hunted down by other unlikable douchebags with mommy issues.

Just my take on it of course.

Though there are things it did right in my opinion that work for me? For instance the last three episodes? I really dug the plot twist, that the final battle is not between Shinji and Odin. That was cool! However, the one thing that the shows have in common? The waited two long to have any kind of meat, and kept it all half-cooked and soft-brined potatoes.