[badlander86]

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Originally Posted by Starscreamer

Agito I will give you...but Ryuki is NO way a Mary Sue...he is blatantly inept, lucks his way through most battles, and most of his luck is called Knight lol.

Which is why my vote goes for Ryuki. Agito is way too overpowered which was a common theme in Kuuga and Agito (Duh). Ryuki feels a heck of a lot more natural as a character because:

1. He's not a fighter and it shows in the suit acting and action
2. A bit of a naive Pacifist. Gets beaten up a lot.
3. Unwavering resolve in his mission. Big props.

Plus Ryuki has those unique Mirror World abilities. And in the Mirror World, there is no God but Kanzaki.

[Blade Raider]

Since when did overpowered = Mary Sue?

[badlander86]

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Originally Posted by Blade Raider

Since when did overpowered = Mary Sue?

Since Overpowered=Mary Sue= Rider Kicks God.

[Switchblade]

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Originally Posted by badlander86

Since Overpowered=Mary Sue= Rider Kicks God.

God (okay, technically the Overlord of Darkness) was the final adversary on the show. He'd been there since early on in the series and was well established as the show's villain. Of course Agito was going to Rider Kick him in the end. I just use it as shorthand for how awesome Shouichi is.

Actually, if you want proof that Agito would win this, look no further than the Ryuki Hyper Battle Video. Ryuki goes up against an evil Burning Agito and gets his butt kicked until the real Agito shows up to help him.

[badlander86]

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Originally Posted by Switchblade

God (okay, technically the Overlord of Darkness) was the final adversary on the show. He'd been there since early on in the series and was well established as the show's villain. Of course Agito was going to Rider Kick him in the end. I just use it as shorthand for how awesome Shouichi is.

Actually, if you want proof that Agito would win this, look no further than the Ryuki Hyper Battle Video. Ryuki goes up against an evil Burning Agito and gets his butt kicked until the real Agito shows up to help him.

DREEAAMM SEQUENCE.

And an extremely Shinji-esque one too. So no dice.

[Den-O]

I am amazed that Ryuki is ahead on votes right now, and that Ryuga actually has any votes at all

[Blade Raider]

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Originally Posted by badlander86

Since Overpowered=Mary Sue= Rider Kicks God.

You have no context on this. The short non-spoiler answer: The Overlord of Darkness is far less invincible than calling him "god" makes him sound. This is what the Hulk would call a "Puny God."

Spoiler answer (contains major spoilers of Agito):
Agito is the power of evolution granted to Humanity (not just the title charater) by the Overlord of Light so that Humanity can one day surpass the Overlord of Darkness (The being that created humans aka "god"). Shouichi (our title Rider) is only the first Agito to evolve to the point that he can damage the Overlord. There are other Agito(s?) in this show and even more potential Agito. An Agito would have surpassed the Overlord eventually, Shouichi is just the first.

On top of that, in one episode, a (at the time) super powerless human was able to damage the Overlord. How this happened was that the G3-X (The only non-Agito Rider in the show) was able to break the Overlord's barrier with his gatling gun. This means that science can damage the Overlord as well. This means the power of Agito isn't even that necessary.

There's more. in the Overlord's final plot, he is rearranging the stars (there's a Fourze joke in there somewhere) to kill humanity. This takes a lot of energy and concentration, requiring him to have guards. Guards defeated in a group effort giving Agito the opening to Rider Kick a weaken Overlord...and the kick doesn't kill the Overlord. In fact the Overlord could've won, he just changed his mind after the final battle (which takes a lot longer to explain).

PS Even if Agito was a "Mary Sue" he'd still kick Ryuki's ass.

PS The Decade versions of both Ryuki and Agito are nothing like the real things. However, the idea of Kamen Rider Lawyer Knights still entains me.

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Originally Posted by badlander86

DREEAAMM SEQUENCE.

And an extremely Shinji-esque one too. So no dice.

Yeah, I have to agree with that. Dream Sequences are non-canon. However, there is a good point here. Agito's Burning Form is fire based (he's even on fire when to changes to Burning Form). Most of Ryuki's contact beast's attacks are fire based. Burning Form would cancel if not absorb all of that. Agito also can use Wind and Earth elements and harness sunlight energy for Shining Form. Agito has plenty of options to fight Ryuki with.



Btw, in the first post, Agito's weaknesses is missing an item. Agito can not use Shining Form without sunlight. Burning is the highest form Agito can use at night.

[badlander86]

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Originally Posted by Blade Raider

You have no context on this. The short non-spoiler answer: The Overlord of Darkness is far less invincible than calling him "god" makes him sound. This is what the Hulk would call a "Puny God."

Spoiler answer (contains major spoilers of Agito):
Agito is the power of evolution granted to Humanity (not just the title charater) by the Overlord of Light so that Humanity can one day surpass the Overlord of Darkness (The being that created humans aka "god"). Shouichi (our title Rider) is only the first Agito to evolve to the point that he can damage the Overlord. There are other Agito(s?) in this show and even more potential Agito. An Agito would have surpassed the Overlord eventually, Shouichi is just the first.

On top of that, in one episode, a (at the time) super powerless human was able to damage the Overlord. How this happened was that the G3-X (The only non-Agito Rider in the show) was able to break the Overlord's barrier with his gatling gun. This means that science can damage the Overlord as well. This means the power of Agito isn't even that necessary.

There's more. in the Overlord's final plot, he is rearranging the stars (there's a Fourze joke in there somewhere) to kill humanity. This takes a lot of energy and concentration, requiring him to have guards. Guards defeated in a group effort giving Agito the opening to Rider Kick a weaken Overlord...and the kick doesn't kill the Overlord. In fact the Overlord could've won, he just changed his mind after the final battle (which takes a lot longer to explain).

PS Even if Agito was a "Mary Sue" he'd still kick Ryuki's ass.

PS The Decade versions of both Ryuki and Agito are nothing like the real things. However, the idea of Kamen Rider Lawyer Knights still entains me.

EDIT:

Yeah, I have to agree with that. Dream Sequences are non-canon. However, there is a good point here. Agito's Burning Form is fire based (he's even on fire when to changes to Burning Form). Most of Ryuki's contact beast's attacks are fire based. Burning Form would cancel if not absorb all of that. Agito also can use Wind and Earth elements and harness sunlight energy for Shining Form. Agito has plenty of options to fight Ryuki with.



Btw, in the first post, Agito's weaknesses is missing an item. Agito can not use Shining Form without sunlight. Burning is the highest form Agito can use at night.

A weakness? Really.

[Blade Raider]

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Originally Posted by badlander86

A weakness? Really.

Please do tell, how is that not a weakness?

[MidoGreen]

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Originally Posted by Den-O

I am amazed that Ryuki is ahead on votes right now, and that Ryuga actually has any votes at all

That's because I think in a straight up fight between Ryuki and Ryuga, Ryuga would win.