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03-19-2023, 09:13 AM | #1141 |
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Yeah, like... I wanted the final one to have Touma in it, and I'm not sure how integral (or available) he'll be for the last few pieces of content? Maybe he'll be on the Sword of Logos's Satellite Of Love for the final specials, conveying his support via a single day's worth of filming! I don't know!
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03-19-2023, 11:17 AM | #1142 |
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I agree that Kamijo's development seems like more of a reach now. I would've expected him becoming Calibur and joining the Megid to be events dotted throughout those 15 years, but this implies he saw one Kurayami vision and suddenly everything was clear to him, while Hayato and Kento were filled with doubt and took a more realistic amount of time to arrive at their respective conclusions. However, I ultimately enjoyed this special for filling in the gaps in the lore and showing us what the previous generation of Swordsmen was like. We learn that while Daishinji has been working for SOL longer, as a swordsmith, Ogami became a Swordsman before him. We get to see how Kenshin fit in the group as a cheerful and friendly man just like his protege Rintarou. There's some other stuff here that gets elaborated on in the Buster manga as well. Quote:
The weirdest part of the Desast And Ren Are Lonely Boys scene is that it's not long after Desast has murdered two swordsmen? It's like, what are you trying to say about Desast with these two scenes? The whole Sword Of Logos Saga is very weird about whether horrible actions have consequences if you're sad inside.
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Regarding you liking Reika's antics here while not for ep. 48, are you viewing her idolizing Ryoga separately as her irritating jealousy to others who interact with him? Because I do think that the infuritation comes from how much she adores him, she'd keep the most precious thing to her away from others.
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03-19-2023, 11:40 AM | #1143 |
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I definitely enjoyed these more than Die did, but they're also another example of a Saber thing that sort of slipped through the cracks without any particular post from me. They didn't leave enough of an impact to be some super memorable thing which I can eagerly bust out some elaborate counter-opinion on (and you know I'd love to do that!), but I thought they were cute enough for what they were.
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03-19-2023, 12:41 PM | #1144 |
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The weirdest part of the Desast And Ren Are Lonely Boys scene is that it's not long after Desast has murdered two swordsmen? It's like, what are you trying to say about Desast with these two scenes? The whole Sword Of Logos Saga is very weird about whether horrible actions have consequences if you're sad inside.
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03-19-2023, 07:09 PM | #1145 |
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To be fair, I don't think you're meant to watch these specials back to back- you're supposed to watch the episodes in the first bluray set, see Desast kill two dudes 15 years ago (lol, go ahead bud,) then watch the episodes with the second bluray set, then see a cute ramen battle. There was probably a gap in their writing/filming too, so it just goes to show again how the show evolved and decided how it wanted to portray it's characters over time!
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03-19-2023, 10:21 PM | #1146 |
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KAMEN RIDER SABER: SHORT STORY MANGA ANTHOLOGY
These Anime shorts… just completely my speed. I love how ridiculously deep-cut they are, and nothing could be more straight from my brain than an in-character prelude to the closing credits dance number. I was never the biggest fan of that thing until this very second. The rolling arm motions are for a lottery machine! Rintaro counts in French because fencing terms help him remember the moves! Mei says STA-AFF with a weird, addictive pronunciation! No one wants to hear out Touma’s concerns regarding the choreography! All of these insane details (RINTARO’S EXPLANATION OF THE SLASHING MOTION!!!) made me go watch the closing credits again, and I loved it so much. This bizarre, non-canonical short absolutely made me appreciate Saber more as a show. Nothing’s going to top MetsubouJinrai Game for me, probably, but an entire short where Zooous gets clowned on by Storious and Legeiel, Storious gets clowned on by Legeiel and Zooous, and Legeiel gets clowned on by Zooous and Legeiel? Outstanding. Incredibly funny, throughout. Huge props to the creative team for having Legeiel’s actor mention that he has maybe one definable trait, which is so mean. The costume stuff for the other two is minor in comparison to No One Knows Why You’re Here, and I love that this ridiculous sub-series went there. Easily the best use of the Book Club, and it’s not even a contest. Saber’s a very earnest show. There’s a disarming sweetness to it, where interpersonal disagreements are as catastrophic as any apocalypse. Like, Rintaro is the first new Sword of Logos guy we meet in the show, and he’s just the most direct, caring dude. That’s the template that everything for the SoL swordsmen spins off of; even the jerks and dummies are never cruel, really, just misunderstood. So it’s delightful to see that – short Kento – they’re all hot-headed assholes here, with Sophia being an impulsive and chaotic leader who is electric-shocked and superfluously-skateboarded enough to really scream at Ogami. It’s perfect? I wouldn’t trade the sweetness of Saber for nearly anything, but this story about five members of the Sword of Logos disintegrating into acrimony under the pressure of an escape room is kind of making a good case for itself. I really love how much Sophia hates Daishinji in this? She just absolutely destroys him here, and it’s exquisite. (“I don’t trust Slash today” is a catchphrase equally as heroic and memorable as “I’ll decide how this story ends!”) Between that and her Trash Tassel introduction, this is maybe the most I’ve ever enjoyed Sophia. Yuri is a terrifically bad scene partner, leaving Tassel to fluster his way through the weakest one of these shorts so far. There’s good gags in it – Saturday Dad is the funniest version of Tassel’s opening narration – but it’s a more uncomfortable form of comedy than the rapid-fire version of the other shorts. This one lets non-sequiturs hang in the air, and allows a brusque Yuri to steer an increasingly disjointed pre-credit sequence into nearly Dadaist waters, but it’s more clever than it is laugh-out-loud funny. I liked it okay, but there were long strings of me nodding approvingly, rather than cackling like a lunatic. Aw, that’s a let down. I thought this was going to be actual flubs, not just more ridiculous versions of scenes we already saw. I wanted to hear these actors lose it! What I got instead was cute, but not exactly the heights of humor that this series hit previously. Sophia being an on-set diva was probably the best part, with Storious’s fixation on Corn Soup being a close second. Everything else… it was fine? Weird, not super funny. As a whole, I thought this series was exceptional. Incredibly high marks for the first four episodes, and a few gems scattered in the final two episodes. Saber really came through on these animes!
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03-20-2023, 01:50 AM | #1147 |
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Funny cartoons. It was nice and interesting. Also, the last two not so successful episodes were most likely made by a different team, because I recall that they appeared much later. Although, maybe it's just the translation was a little delayed.
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03-20-2023, 07:55 AM | #1148 |
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These anime shorts are always the best thing. I don't even like 01 or Saber and I had a blast with them! Can recommend them without hesitation. It's a shame Revice's still aren't subbed...
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03-20-2023, 08:48 AM | #1149 |
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I only ever watched the first four when they came out.
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03-20-2023, 01:57 PM | #1150 |
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SERIES WRAP-UP
It’s a series that improves in the memory, even with less than a day since I watched the final episode. So many of the early choices that annoyed me end up paling in comparison to the joy the final string of episodes delivered. It’s all one unit of entertainment in my brain now, and it’s almost all positive feelings and associations: the delight of a show dedicated to the almost biological need for storytelling; the warmth of a cast that only ever became more entertaining; the excitement of a stunt team that left it all on the field. It’s a hard show to dislike, when it’s all said and done. Quote:
It’s also a hard show to like in the moment, which is the one negative feeling I’ll probably keep with me forever, right alongside Rintaro’s charming guilelessness and Mei’s unstoppable support. So many decisions in the early-going (and even a few later in the run) prize narrative coherence over dramatic appeal, and it makes the Getting To Know You stage of this show more of a slog than it needed to be. Effects frequently debut before causes, as the show rushes to fill out its world and bulk up its roster. We’re left early on with the feeling that This Is All Important Somehow, rather than being swept away with tight plotting and relatable situations. There’s so little to hold onto, just as the show is throwing more at you. Eventually all of those things make sense, have a place, but it’s rarely when they’re first presented.
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Like, even in the late era of the show, when everything feels intentional and compelling: the Four Divine Sages. Isaac mentions them as a thing, but then immediately tells us that they were all killed off-screen. It’s, at the time, needlessly distracting information. A thing we never knew existed (or was maybe mentioned in passing once) was extremely important, but it’s also already dead and don’t think about it. Except, it’s crucial to drop that in the show at that point, because the show’s going to need those four to be outstanding sub-bosses for one of the best finales a Kamen Rider show ever had. It’s never pointless, even if it’s dramatically frustrating on your first watch.
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It’s the cast, if I need to pick a favorite thing. I liked what the show was doing thematically, with how storytelling needs to be defended in a world that wants to either weaponize it or invalidate it. I liked what it said about belief and faith, even if those topics aren’t as exciting for me to explore as others. (Sorry!) I liked the setting of a bookshop, even if it was only Kento that managed to bring any customers in. (Another minor gripe: the show barely used the bookshop setting to generate stories. Maybe three times, over the whole run?) I liked the workplace dramedy structure, where the Sword of Logos and its goals were as big a threat to our heroes as any monster. But, no, it’s the cast that made this show for me.
Almost absurd that a cast this large, an ensemble this deep, should all be so integral to the show’s success. If you’d only given me Touma, Rintaro, Kento, and Mei, I’d still herald this show as one of the best casts. To then enhance it with Ogami, with Daishinji, with Yuri, with Desast, with Reika, with Ryoga, even with Ren… gosh, it’s hard to imagine another show topping this one for acting talent and cleverly-written characters. I’m going to be thinking about these sword-wielding goofballs for a very long time.
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