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01-17-2022, 12:25 PM | #21 |
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Revice has this cynical edge to it that keeps catching me off guard. I really didn't expect Yosuke to just DIE like that. In general, the villains in this show are probably the highlight for me so far. Julio and Aquilera in particular both get a lot of focus so that the viewer can understand their mindsets better, to the point I'm really rooting for both of them to be saved in the end! Between Julio getting emotionally steamrolled and Aquilera's genuine attempt to cheer him up and rescue him, there were good moments for both of them. It is really unusual for me to like villains this much, so props to the show on that front.
On the side of the heroes, I think the bits with Hiromi and Sakura were good this episode too. Hiromi is getting absolutely physically destroyed by the Rider System, so I'm excited to see where they go with it next week. Sakura trying to reconcile Yosuke and Julio was a nice scene, even if it had devastating consequences, and I liked the little knowing look her and Aquilera gave each other at the end. On the other hand, even though this episode had a a heavy emphasis on Ikki, I just... don't particularly enjoy him as a character for some reason. I'm inclined to agree with Fish that I don't like how whenever it seems like he might change as a character he just kinda defaults back to his comfort zone instead. I might warm up to him more later, but I find him a bit forgettable as a Rider protagonist so far. Daiji is also at a point where I think he desperately needs more attention, since he hasn't done much since the Kagerou arc.
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01-17-2022, 03:59 PM | #22 |
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I think Revice is becoming hands down, the best Reiwa rider show by far. One of the reasons is that The main rider actually has development and times feeling conflicted about his actions compared to Zero One and Saber, who I feel hardly changed in the course of the show.
Plus it's getting pretty dark now, despite the fact we had an episode where we had Ikki's ass puckered to Vice's face. Quote:
It wasn't a bad episode for Ikki and Vice, either. Again, I really want these two to feel like an iconic, inseparable duo, and plots like this do a whole lot to get them there. Although as great as all the introspection is, I can't help but find it funny at the same time how every instance of Ikki potentially reevaluating his own actions has him defaulting back to his comfort zone because a literal personification of his own repressed irresponsibility and narcissism reassures him he's fine the way he is. Ikki really IS Japan's #1 egoist! ...But like, obviously that's a huge oversimplification of Vice's role in the series (which like lots of things in Revice is surprisingly multifaceted), and jokes aside, I do appreciate what the show has been doing having him as this sort of motivating force for his partner.
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I used to think Medic from Drive was irredeemable, but it turned out she was a kind person who got corrupted by absorbing too many negative emotions from healing other Roidmudes. Quote:
Regarding Julio, seems that the blame isn't only on the traitor, but he himself has a share for not considering Yosuke's condition that, actually I'm wrong, he too was bullied. That's some good bait for them to make Julio say no to Yosuke's offer at first, thought as a rejection, but actually it's Julio blaming himself a bit.
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01-17-2022, 05:04 PM | #23 |
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I don't think it was meant to be that his body is literally 80; more a way of saying that the Demons Driver has done such an immense amount of damage that his internal organs are so useless they may as well be an 80 year old's. That's what I got from the subs anyway. In any case, yeah, pretty bad situation for him all around!
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01-17-2022, 07:20 PM | #24 |
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Do you think Julio's blaming himself a little too much though? Even if Yosuke's sticking to the story that he was "coerced", it was ultimately his choice to tear up the card. I do believe Yosuke deserves forgiveness for being apologetic, but I can't blame Julio for reacting with hurt, although his choice of turning to Deadmans was an extreme result of that.
Julio started to blame himself when he realized that he was aware that his friend was put in an impossible situation, but his anger and disappointment blinded him to it. Quote:
I don't think it was meant to be that his body is literally 80; more a way of saying that the Demons Driver has done such an immense amount of damage that his internal organs are so useless they may as well be an 80 year old's. That's what I got from the subs anyway. In any case, yeah, pretty bad situation for him all around!
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01-17-2022, 11:37 PM | #25 |
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Ooh forgot to mention. This episode do give me the idea that George isn't/wouldn't become a villain, simply by apologizing to Ikki about the Volcano stamp.
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01-18-2022, 01:02 AM | #26 |
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I enjoyed how Ikki was like, "maybe I don't care about myself" and Vice came back with, "nah bro, that's stupid", since it really wasn't that long ago that we established that Ikki is actually a massive egoist. He's so clinically dishonest with himself that even when he tries, he just can't process where his emotions come from, so he's honestly pretty lucky to have Vice, this part of him he dissociates with, who can see objectively what's wrong with him and how to get him out of his funk. I'm interested to see how this goes, as Ikki continues to disappear from the pictures. Maybe he'll become more self-aware someday, to the point where he no longer needs Vice to guide him anymore.
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Do you think Julio's blaming himself a little too much though? Even if Yosuke's sticking to the story that he was "coerced", it was ultimately his choice to tear up the card. I do believe Yosuke deserves forgiveness for being apologetic, but I can't blame Julio for reacting with hurt, although his choice of turning to Deadmans was an extreme result of that.
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In Julio's flashback, we saw that his friend was getting bullied in a far more severe level compared to him, being actively beaten up rather than just ridiculed.
Julio started to blame himself when he realized that he was aware that his friend was put in an impossible situation, but his anger and disappointment blinded him to it. Yeah, it's what I've said too above. But having good intentions doesn't make you not a villain. I've seen a handful of people who paint a character as innocent simply for having a good intention. If you have a good intention but you're only doing bad things to others or causing damage to accomplish it (and they'd likely have self-righteousness as well), then you're a well-intentioned extremist, and would be a type of anti-villain (example for KR is Takatora from Gaim). If George is a good guy at the end, it wouldn't simply of him having good intention but is also contributing to others with his scientific brilliance albeit he can be pragmatic like the Evil thing (not that he "contributes" as a front of his true villainous schemes).
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01-18-2022, 01:41 AM | #27 |
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It's almost certain. Now he is presented as the main puppeteer of the Deadman`s cult, but Aguilera has been trained since childhood, and they are about the same age. In any case, there is (was?) someone older. But whether Olteka is an equal partner of this unknown person or another puppet, we will find out later.
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01-18-2022, 12:38 PM | #28 |
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Considering Olteca's plot still revolves around Gifu, I'm sure he'll be the final piece, or whatever, to reviving Gifu's heart.
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01-18-2022, 01:24 PM | #29 |
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In Julio's flashback, we saw that his friend was getting bullied in a far more severe level compared to him, being actively beaten up rather than just ridiculed.
Julio started to blame himself when he realized that he was aware that his friend was put in an impossible situation, but his anger and disappointment blinded him to it. Quote:
Not in this episode, but the problem of Vice guiding him would be, holding back Ikki's improvement or pseudo-corrupting him, as Vice can convince Ikki to just not change who he is, I mean including something that makes him screw up others. Like I said above, even if Ikki's nice, well-meaning, and not doing anything morally questionable, there are other things one should fix other than moral/actions (the secretly egoist stuff there for instance).
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I mean if Olteca becomes that way due to Deadman's propaganda, it's only an explanation, not an excuse. Being irredeemable or not depends on their actions and characterization, not due to outside circumstances. Turning him redeemable would be only done if that explanation is something that drives him to change, not that "being a victim" instantly makes him not all bad if there's no way out of his behavior since then. You don't have to be a good person in order to be or have been a victim (and that includes Aguilera here), being a bad person or doing bad things does not disqualify you from the victim status. Conversely, being victimized at some point in your life does not automatically make you a good person or a hero, and does not preclude you from doing evil things and/or being a perpetrator of villainy.
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I only said has a share. I'm not the kind to pin the whole blame into one side, I do think that Yosuke still has bigger share of the blame here. Though still I don't want the bias to major characters that they're the ones that should be automatically forgiven or such while minor characters are allowed to be treated harshly as much as audience want no matter how they're compared to major characters (like if they're not as bad) due to them not being major. I do sympathize for Julio now (but this episode sure escalates his threat further), but so far I don't really see anything from Aguilera that is pitiable.
Regarding Aguilera, while she had ulterior motive for bringing Julio in to Deadmans, she's still loyal to him now. So I personally feel that she's sympathetic for that.
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01-19-2022, 10:19 PM | #30 |
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So, Julio/Tamaki us just like me when I get mad and cause a nuclear explosion in my vicinity.
Last week's episode: we got to see Ikki and Vice do some VR training (the kind they say happens in Zero-One, but now you can actually see it), Julio's real name is Tamaki, a former Yu-Gi-Oh! knockoff cardgame player, and his friend is searching for him. Volcanic Rex debuts, and while the suit looks fantastic, the colors aren't exactly my favorite, with the gold and purple not exactly fitting for a fire themed form, but Vice's frosty form looks great. The thing I appreciate about Revice's forms is how they're not too busy, being very simple and streamlined as opposed to previous gimmick and upgrade forms, nothing against those, but there's something to be said in beauty in simplicity. Also, the Giftarians appear in a slightly disturbing fashion, unfortunately while they look cool, they don't seem to be varied. This week, oh boy, this was a fantastic episode! We got the resolution to the Tamaki/Yosuke arc, which was actually one of the best arcs in this season, Vice being a top tier supporter, and playing the two-as-one Rider magnificently. I could gush about how much I loved this episode, but I'll leave it at that. Hiromi is now officially an old man, I hope he doesn't die but remain as the Commander of FENIX if we don't get to see Demons again. And what's the deal with this doctor guy? I'm guessing he might be one of the folks who defiled Gif's tomb in '73 and we're seeing a Build situation where the ancient artifact corrupted everyone or something, I don't know. Next Week: Olteca decides to kill our favorite supporting Rider. |
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