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06-12-2022, 12:37 AM | #191 |
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The shows are painfully the same on a number of beats, here's how I usually describe it tho it does simplify both shows a bit:
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06-12-2022, 12:45 AM | #192 |
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That's not ripping off Gaim, that's doing what every other story focused show for children does including at least 1 Rider show before Gaim. I was also under the impression that Build's writer was new to tokusatsu as a whole, maybe you mixed up writers with Zero One? It feels dishonest to say stories not focused on monsters of the week were specifically made by Gaim considering the decades of action focused children's media beforehand
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06-12-2022, 12:59 AM | #193 |
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But who really, in my opinion, developed the Blade idea better, is OOO. Because in the series finale, it is Ankh who returns Agee to the light side and sacrifices himself. Which makes their friendship not as one-sided as in Blade and clearly demonstrates Ankh's character development under Eiji's positive influence. |
06-12-2022, 04:19 AM | #194 |
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Yes, I got it wrong. The seasons are very similar. But I disagree about the arсs. Previous seasons like Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade, Kabuto, Kiva had a plot but no story arcs. Plus, there's a difference between bringing something in and making it mainstream. For example, in the MCU, the preponderance of jokes was already in the first Avengers, but they turned into action-comedy only after the success of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
One was made by the protagonist and is given build up for a few episodes before it actually gets used to emphasize the dangers of using it, the other is just "Lol here you go". You might as well say Gaim is a Den-O rip off for being fruit themed sword wielders in their base forms
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His suit under his armour is (navy?) blue, in the same way the suit under Ryuki's armour is red. His cape is black however. lol yea it's a funny level of similarity once you see it but it's not like painfully obvious I do find it neat that Madoka is very clearly like Ryuki, and Gaim is a very clearly like Madoka, but Gaim and Ryuki aren't as directly connected outside of basic elements, almost feels like a a game of telephone honestly lol ------------ Anyways, just for fun, Unpopular Opinion(?) Time: Honestly I like Ryuki more than Gaim, gaim has a lot of great moments but personally I feel like I came out of Ryuki feeling like I got a better message and overall experience than I did with Gaim. I do have some personal bias for Ryuki tho lol (oh tho I didn't like most of Inoue's episodes, especially later on, I felt like he had trouble keeping the cast in character? The Imperor arc was mostly okay tho i guess, maybe bc it focused on an Inoue origonal chatacter). For whatever its worth I watched Gaim before Ryuki, not the other way around. Wow this become a larger chunk of this post than I meant it to be... oops. Last edited by TheJaz; 06-12-2022 at 07:39 AM.. |
06-12-2022, 08:24 AM | #196 |
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Anyways, just for fun, Unpopular Opinion(?) Time: Honestly I like Ryuki more than Gaim, gaim has a lot of great moments but personally I feel like I came out of Ryuki feeling like I got a better message and overall experience than I did with Gaim. I do have some personal bias for Ryuki tho lol (oh tho I didn't like most of Inoue's episodes, especially later on, I felt like he had trouble keeping the cast in character? The Imperor arc was mostly okay tho i guess, maybe bc it focused on an Inoue origonal chatacter). For whatever its worth I watched Gaim before Ryuki, not the other way around.
Wow this become a larger chunk of this post than I meant it to be... oops.
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06-12-2022, 11:53 AM | #197 |
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While Ryuki has a lot of big fans (me included) I often see a weird ammount of hate thrown at it. Maybe this is just in the circles I run in. I often see it sort of presented as a show "with good ideas, but bad execution", which doesn't make much sense to me. Without giving too specific spoilers I also know a lot of people who hate the ending of the show. Personally i think the ending is very poignant, and creates a situation where the audience is able to feel the same sense of loss that certain characters in the show are experiencing themselves I've also come across the opinion that "Gaim is just better Ryuki" a number of times, which personally I'd disagree with, also at a very base level Gaim and Ryuki have very different intents with their messages so I don't think Gaim serves as a replacement to Ryuki in really any significant way despite their similar premise Last edited by TheJaz; 06-12-2022 at 11:57 AM.. |
06-12-2022, 02:59 PM | #198 |
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I guess maybe it's more of a "potentially divisive opinion"?
While Ryuki has a lot of big fans (me included) I often see a weird ammount of hate thrown at it. Maybe this is just in the circles I run in. I often see it sort of presented as a show "with good ideas, but bad execution", which doesn't make much sense to me. Without giving too specific spoilers I also know a lot of people who hate the ending of the show. Personally i think the ending is very poignant, and creates a situation where the audience is able to feel the same sense of loss that certain characters in the show are experiencing themselves I've also come across the opinion that "Gaim is just better Ryuki" a number of times, which personally I'd disagree with, also at a very base level Gaim and Ryuki have very different intents with their messages so I don't think Gaim serves as a replacement to Ryuki in really any significant way despite their similar premise I think one of the main things that distinguishes Ryuki and Gaim is how the characters' motivations are tied to the conflict. In Ryuki, Kanzaki gave the Decks exclusively to people who were willing to kill other people, except for Shinji and Tezuka who became Riders on their own. The Rider War was rigged so that Odin would win, but ironically Shinji's interference, while it seemed futile on the surface, always delayed the fight too long, leaving Kanzaki nothing to gain but the wish he can't even use anymore. Pretty much the only one who gets any benefit from the Rider War is Asakura. In Gaim, the Beat Rider game is open to everyone and people don't really have any dying loved ones they desperately need to save or anything like that. But the allure of power typically attracts people who will try and abuse it, which would explain why all the Riders, including Kouta and Zack to a lesser extent, are willing to do bad things. It's a very cynical world, without much of a counterpoint to that.
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(I'm about to spoil a whole lot of Ryuki's ending) I'd also say that in a way Kanzaki Shiro is punished? He certainly isn't rewarded in his conclusion of having to accept his sister's death and dying himself... He had a horrible life, and while that doesn't justify his actions he's clearly presented as a victim of trauma trying desperately to undo an event that can't be undone. His "punishment" is failing to save his sister over and over, and having her make him stop and finally let her die. Shiro does horrible things but he is a victim not only of his abusive parents, but of his own actions as well. He is able to find peace and acceptance in the fact that not everyone on Earth is a monster, there were other people willing to fight to protect others and his sister, and that for a moment he and his sister can be together again, but while it's not really a punishment I still wouldn't say this is a reward, more so it's simply closure for these two For me overall though what makes Ryuki's ending work is that, for me at least, I always perceived the ending from Kanzaki Yui's perspective. And I think this is intentional (especially as a song sung by her actor is played over the final scenes). Yui loses her connections to the cast of the entire show, they're whole history, as we the audience experience the same, we lose the ties and bonds we've made to these people over the course of 50 episodes, we lose everything we've experienced so the fighting can stop, as Yui loses everything she's experienced so the fighting can stop. Personally I found it to be a very beautiful but tragic exploration of trauma, loss, growth, and acceptance. But I also DO understand why other people don't like it! Especially if you aren't invested in Yui or Shiro then the ending must feel really weird and jarring, and I see how a "reset" ending can feel inherently cheap to people, even if for me it felt like it pushed the themes of the show to their extreme and past their breaking point in a mesmerizing way But idk, it's a weird show, I do understand why there's distaste for it. I mentioned before I have a bias for this show, and it's true... As silly as this might sounds to say about a goofy superhero show, Ryuki was a show that I watched at a time in my life when I felt like I was becoming a worse person because I felt like I had to, and to have a show that not only reflected that idea, but that also really hammered home the message that it's more important to be a good person, and to do the right thing. It genuinely had a big effect on my life, and the ending for me just kind of amplified that. Also just generally, I tend to like shows where the themes resonate with me more so than show's that have a really clean narrative but don't hit me emotionally. (Not that Ryuki's narrative isn't pretty clean, but I do definitely think it bends itself a bit to get to where it wants to go) I've gone fully off subject from Geats tho so I'm gonna stop talking about Ryuki now lol, I do respect everyone else's opinion on it, it's a very weird ending that is sure to hit different people differently, but I only have my own experience with the show to base my opinions of it on... Anyways, I have a tendency to ramble, and I've been thinking about the show all day so this message kinda got away from me sorry lol Last edited by TheJaz; 06-13-2022 at 12:04 AM.. |
06-13-2022, 01:26 AM | #200 |
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I've gone fully off subject from Geats tho so I'm gonna stop talking about Ryuki now lol, I do respect everyone else's opinion on it, it's a very weird ending that is sure to hit different people differently, but I only have my own experience with the show to base my opinions of it on... Anyways, I have a tendency to ramble, and I've been thinking about the show all day so this message kinda got away from me sorry lol
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