[LevisNox]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

Considering how the scans show little of Zein's involvement it might just be an Outsiders tie-in of sorts where he's just watching menacingly. Especially since I don't think Yuuto's actor is credited?

Unless Zein is the big boss of Hundred in Gotchard's-verse. But we do know that the 3 Hundred Members are part of the "Hundred 4" and that fourth member is likely Ark-One.

My guess is now that we're getting into it, Episodes 33 and 34 will be our Legend stuff, maybe 35, depends on how much they fit into the episodes. If only because that's all the May Scans seem to focus on except as everyone needs to remember, Toei only really ever shows the first half of the month (which would be 34 and 35) so there are plenty of surprises. And they're probably showing all this Legend stuff because it's the easiest to show since it's just a lot of old stuff.

Personally I'm looking forward to it. It looks like Gotchard is having a lot of fun with what they're picking (I mean Ark-One getting a Malgam-like transformation? That's absolute genius use of a legacy character) to use for this special. Plus depending on how Ark-One Malgam is formed, alongside stuff like Clotho and Lachesis continuing their character work, it's hard to really say Gotchard got derailed or this is filler? Because either Chemy are being collected (which is the main goal of the series remember) or characters are continuing arcs we've seen them on.

Though to be totally honest? The way everything's presented and set up? This feels like a classic Power Rangers Team Up in terms of vibes on how this is structured.

I kinda disagree, Gotchard has been too over the place and trying too hard to be a super sentai when it shouldn't

Plus the lack of love for Rinne and Spanner has been quite annoying on top of that putting our secondary rider first heshin into a film and now bringing in a spin off into the main series


it just feels like their trying to throw everything at the wall and hoping it sticks. Now don't get me wrong you do you, but i feel the opposite

[Enchilada645]

I feel like the term that better sticks is Gotchard is trying to be a bit more like Showa Rider (Gotchard especially has been bringing back some old stuff like from early Heisei too) than Sentai.

Especially nowadays "blank is trying to be like Sentai" doesn't really stick and comes off as more of a buzzword(phrase) because I've seen my fair share of Sentai, and Rider doesn't really come close to it aside from shallow comparisons. Funnily enough it feels like Rider's the most unchanging of the various Toku Series running. Sentai's been getting more experimental lately and Ultraman likes to reinvent itself every now and again, especially recently.

[Sh Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

I feel like the term that better sticks is Gotchard is trying to be a bit more like Showa Rider (Gotchard especially has been bringing back some old stuff like from early Heisei too) than Sentai.

Especially nowadays "blank is trying to be like Sentai" doesn't really stick and comes off as more of a buzzword(phrase) because I've seen my fair share of Sentai, and Rider doesn't really come close to it aside from shallow comparisons. Funnily enough it feels like Rider's the most unchanging of the various Toku Series running. Sentai's been getting more experimental lately and Ultraman likes to reinvent itself every now and again, especially recently.

I know right! Reminds me of when people talk about adaptions and somebody says, "[x] is too Sentai for Power Rangers", like, no duh. I understood when people called Saber a Sentai, but what exactly about Gotchard looks Sentai? Doesn't make sense.

[LevisNox]

I mean fair, , Ghost and Saber were very much, also i wouldn't call Gotchard showa era

I think its more of a middle between Reiwa and Showa and like i said i feel it just tosses to much.

I more miss stuff like Gaim, double, OOOZs and build and even foruza to a degree.

At first thought gotchard was going to be more like Foruza but ehhhh. I might just be spoiled cause i joined the the whole kamen rider fanbase after decade

[Zolda]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

Personally I'm looking forward to it. It looks like Gotchard is having a lot of fun with what they're picking (I mean Ark-One getting a Malgam-like transformation? That's absolute genius use of a legacy character) to use for this special.

Genius? What's so genius about it? It's just mashing together several ideas with very minor thematic similarities. Any fanfic writer can do it.

The writer make Ark-One appear just because it's a malice AI, so when it's combined with a Chemy (which is probably the Zero-One or Zero-Two Chemy), it will form the Ark Malgam. The very minor similarities is that both the Ark and a Malgam are formed by malice. The Ark-Malgam will then very likely fight KR Zein.

I, whose best accomplishment in creative writing was getting an A for high school homework, have even come up with several such ideas myself, such as:
- Make the riders form Revice appear via the very convenient pArAlLeL wOrLd trope, and turn them into Malgams. They use their inner demons to transform, and demons love malice, right? So, the Revice riders would make great Malgams, right? Make Ikki bond with the Ultimate Revice Chemy.
- Make KR Chaser (or Mashin Chaser) appear via the same method, and make him fight or help Spanner/KR Valvarad. They have machine as motif, and both also had kaijin forms with the same motif. They fit well, right?
- Make KR Evol Black Hole appear via the same method, and make him fight Fuga/KR Wind. They have black hole motif, so they fit well, right?
- Make KR Blades Fantastic Lion appear via the same method, and make him help Rinne/KR Majade. They have mythical horse motif (pegasus for the Tenkuu no Pegasus WRB, and unicorn for the Unicon RCC), so they fit well, right?
- Make KR Kuuga and KR OOO appear via the same method, and make them team up because they both transform with ancient artifacts. They fit well, right?
- Make Ace Ukiyo appear via the same method, and make him transform into God Greeed. Greeeds in KR OOO are created from humans' desires, and Geats riders use Desire Drivers. They fit well, right?
- etc

See? This kind of shallow logic was what I meant by Outsiders-ism/Yuuya-ism in this post. Like I said above, it's basically just a mashup of several ideas with very minor similarities, yet huge dissimilarities. This kind of atrocious writing aims to create an illusion of grandiose narrative, at the expense of logical consistency and common sense. There's a reason why the stories in KR Decade and KR Zi-O (and other anniversary/crossover/team-up stories) make little to no sense. And why should old characters from a separate series be involved in new stories? Isn't that one of the signs of creative bankruptcy?

So, please don't casually throw around the word genius like it means nothing. You debase the meaning of genius if you use it carelessly like that. You make it sound like a genius is a common occurrence, which is not. Oh, and casually labeling a mediocre writer as genius will only stunt his growth, not only as a writer but also as a person.

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

Plus depending on how Ark-One Malgam is formed, alongside stuff like Clotho and Lachesis continuing their character work, it's hard to really say Gotchard got derailed or this is filler? Because either Chemy are being collected (which is the main goal of the series remember) or characters are continuing arcs we've seen them on.

Though to be totally honest? The way everything's presented and set up? This feels like a classic Power Rangers Team Up in terms of vibes on how this is structured.

Gotchard's story is still on track, if and only if the infection caused by this Legend "arc" only lasts 2 episodes and ends in episode 33. Until it's proven to be a 2-parter filler episodes, there's still a 50:50 chance that this Legend "arc" will derail Gotchard's main storyline. So far, the signs are pointing in the opposite direction. I don't ever remember Bandai advertising a new DX toy in just 2 special episodes and 1 regular episode. If it lasts until the debut of KR Gotchard's final form in episode 38-40, then the story is FUBAR.

I watch this show to see a story about alchemy, not a random story involving a convenient pArAlLeL wOrLd trope. I want to watch KR Gotchard, not KR Decade v3.0 or KR Zi-O v2.0. There are many other tropes about alchemy that can be incorporated, such as philosopher's stone, elixir, the grand book of alchemy, etc. The writers should also expand the Alchemys Union which I think is very empty for such a big organization. They have barely developed the Sisters' characterization, and now they add 3 new enemy generals?

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Originally Posted by LevisNox

I kinda disagree, Gotchard has been too over the place and trying too hard to be a super sentai when it shouldn't

Plus the lack of love for Rinne and Spanner has been quite annoying on top of that putting our secondary rider first heshin into a film and now bringing in a spin off into the main series

it just feels like their trying to throw everything at the wall and hoping it sticks. Now don't get me wrong you do you, but i feel the opposite

This. I fully concur with your statements in bold. The writers are trying to mash several stories together and hope that the result will make sense. Surprise, surprise!

The problem with KR Gotchard is that the side content (KR Legend spin-off) is infecting the main storyline. And the bigger problem is that KR Gotchard's main storyline is not only infected by KR Legend, but also by the crappiest of the crappiest of the crappiest side contents: KR Outsiders.

Main content should be left as main content. Side content should be left as side content. Canon stories should be left as canon stories. Non-canon stories should be left as non-canon stories. Regular series should be left as regular series. Anniversary series should be left as anniversary series. Abruptly transforming a regular series into an anniversary series just to advertise a new toy is one of the weirdest decisions I've ever seen in TV production.

Let's hope that this Legend "arc" is just a filler 2-parter that began in episode 32 and ends in episode 33. If it continues for several more episodes, then Gotchard's story is definitely screwed up by the producers/writers themselves.

And I haven't even begin to talk about Rinne's transformation in the Gotchard-Geats collab film. Long story short, putting the crucial development of a main character in a crappy non-canon film is just a bad narrative move.

[Androzani84]

Yes, the movie that the show had directly referenced several times since it came out is non-canon.

Just admit, you don’t watch these shows to enjoy them. You watch them to complain.

[Enchilada645]

So let me say this to start.

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Originally Posted by Zolda

So, please don't casually throw around the word genius like it means nothing. You debase the meaning of genius if you use it carelessly like that. You make it sound like a genius is a common occurrence, which is not.

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Originally Posted by Zolda

Let's hope that this Legend "arc" is just a filler 2-parter that began in episode 32 and ends in episode 33.

If you're going to bash me for my use of words which I can use whatever word i want to describe something... then I'll just kindly point out. Please actually use the word filler correctly. Stop throwing it around just to give the illusion that your dislike has any basis. While I get that words evolve over time due to the way our culture is, filler is probably the worst I feel? Filler at its core was used and should still be used to describe anime that have to derail themselves into an original story so they didn't catch up to the manga. Now it's simply used to say any potential small character work or breathing space is pointless which is very untrue.

And I mean this recent episode of Gotchard (33) still has developments, the remarks about the dark king showing up, alongside Lachesis and Clotho having their moments as well. Saying this is filler means you can skip this episode which is very untrue, and this arc will still see us collecting more Chemy as well which again as I've said... is the main plot of the show whether or not people like to believe it.

Anyway, I was just pointing out how I think the Legend stuff their doing is really fun. And here you come in and decide to slightly copypaste stuff from other threads with some real negative stuff just to start something.

Like being entirely real, this 'fanfic' stuff that people complain about? That's creativity, that's what's pushing things further, that's what's allowing people to grow further in these fields. We're in the age where fans of old franchises now have the chance to put their love into things. And denying that love and calling it fanfic in such a demeaning way is insulting. Especially for me as someone who makes and enjoys fanfics regularly.

I see a bunch of people looking at what they have, saying 'this'd be cool' and making it happen. Like I'm sorry but if you're telling me you can't find some joy in Eternal 26 A-Z Gaia Memories vs. Platina Gotchard 26 A-Z Chemies which is a clever and cool detail for them to do (alongside the Henshin details for Eternal and just every little bit this past episode) then idk what to say.

[Sunred]

Legend giving people the Phase 1 Heisei Medley as I like to call it was dare I say gorgeous.

[Sh Ranger]

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Originally Posted by Zolda

See? This kind of shallow logic was what I meant by Outsiders-ism/Yuuya-ism in this post. Like I said above, it's basically just a mashup of several ideas with very minor similarities, yet huge dissimilarities. This kind of atrocious writing aims to create an illusion of grandiose narrative, at the expense of logical consistency and common sense. There's a reason why the stories in KR Decade and KR Zi-O (and other anniversary/crossover/team-up stories) make little to no sense. And why should old characters from a separate series be involved in new stories? Isn't that one of the signs of creative bankruptcy?

All ideas are just shallow logic until you actually do something with them. Most of those you mentioned wouldn't even need to rely on Legendsiders stuff, so there's no reason why they couldn't be turned in to good stories by a competent writer, whether a screenwriter or a fanfic writer.

[BlazeKing]

I just want to say that Kamen Rider Legend was always going to be part of the main story (as he was leaked super early on). During the side story which really wasn't a side story, Kaguya said Gotchard wasn't the "gorgeous" Gotchard he was expecting to see. Platinum Gotchard is what he expected to see and it's part of why he actually showed up in the main series now.